Playboy.com / Digital Culture: Stevie “KillCreek” Case, Videogame Designer and Playboy Model – Pictorial and Live Chat

May 11, 2000
By David Kushner

If you think computer games are strictly boy toys, then consider Stevie Case, one of the most renowned women to crash the scene. A few years ago, she achieved online fame after beating John Romero, co-creator of Doom and Quake, at his own game. Now she’s one of the top designers at Ion Storm, the Dallas-based company that is preparing to release Romero’s long-awaited first-person shooter, Daikatana. Oh, and Romero is now her boyfriend as well as her boss. Here’s what Case, or “KillCreek,” as she’s known online, has to say about life as a grrl gamer:

Playboy.com: How’d you first get interested in computer games?

Stevie Case: I’ve been playing computer games since my dad brought home an Apple IIe when I was in second grade. After that I moved on to Nintendo games, which kept me busy for years. I was one of those kids at the back of the bus on the way to the Science Olympiad bragging about how fast I beat the latest game! During my freshman year at the University of Kansas, some good friends who lived down the hall from me in the dorm introduced me to Doom and Doom II. From the first moment, I was completely hooked. That fall I spent my student loan money upgrading my PC so it would be fast enough for Deathmatch!

PB: What’s it like to be a woman in the male-dominated gaming community?

SC: It has been quite an enlightening and challenging experience. Developing a reputation as a hard-core female gamer has played a major role in my getting to know people all over the world, including some of my biggest gaming heroes. Early on my gender caught the attention of plenty of folks in the industry and certainly helped me get that first introduction and a foot in the door.

Beyond those early days, being a woman in such a male-dominated industry has brought its share of challenges. Plenty of people — both men and women — have all sorts of expectations for how I should behave, dress, look and run my life. Some expect me to play the role of the unassuming farm girl, while others expect me to be some sort of poster child for girl gamers. However, I found out a while back that living to meet others’ expectations doesn’t make for much of a rewarding, fun or interesting life. I’m a great deal happier just doing my own thing. The guys I work with are exceptionally cool and do not treat me any differently because of my gender. They accept me for who I am at work: just one of the guys on the team. That’s how I like it.

PB: What are the biggest misconceptions about gamers?

SC: I think two of the biggest misconceptions about gamers are that they are antisocial and violent, when in fact as a group they are neither. Competitive gaming in particular has been a terrific social outlet for me over the years. I’ve met all sorts of interesting, kind people from all over the world through my involvement. I’ve formed some very special friendships with people I originally met on the Net or in a game of Quake.

Of all the gamers I’ve gotten to know, none at all are violent people, and they are actually rather well-adjusted! Some of my most knowledgeable and intelligent friends are hard-core gamers. I think it’s easy to pigeonhole gamers without any firsthand experience, but anyone who sits down at a computer and spends a bit of time in a game with them would tell you different.

PB: How do you think you’ve changed as a result of your experiences playing and making games?

SC: Long ago, as a political science major, I had a passion for my work, but I was not excited about the day-to-day aspects of politics or practicing law. When I discovered games I realized that you really can love your job and also be quite successful at the same time!

The happiness I found has led to all sorts of other changes in my life, as well. Since I moved to Dallas to pursue my gaming career, I have found that I am much more motivated. I finally lost the 50 pounds I had been trying for so long to get rid of, and it feels great! Making the leap to games helped me to realize that the only way to be truly happy is to live by your own rules, not limited by outside expectations. I love my job, found a wonderful boyfriend and truly found myself through games. I can’t imagine being happier, but I don’t rule anything out anymore.

PB: There’s been a lot of controversy surrounding Daikatana: why it’s taken so long to release, whether or not it’ll live up to the hype, even questions about your role in the development process. What were the biggest challenges for you while making the game?

SC: The biggest challenge for me was staying creative under intense pressure and scrutiny. Creating is much easier when it is a hobby rather than a job. Once the excitement of getting a job in gaming wears off, you still have to go to work every day and come up with fun and exciting stuff and meet your deadlines. I have been very lucky to work in the company of many talented individuals who keep me going and inspire and frighten me with their work on a daily basis. Any time I feel stuck, or just need a suggestion, the guys on the team are always willing to help. That kind of teamwork really keeps me going. The knowledge that thousands of gamers around the world will eventually be playing my levels also provides me with the necessary fear and excitement to get the job done!

PB: No one really knows what to expect with the game. How do you feel now that Daikatana’s finally nearing release?

SC: It’s extremely exciting to get the game out to the public after so much effort. There has been so much hype and speculation that it will feel good to put it all to an end with the game itself. I think that John has really made something special in Daikatana. He certainly has a passion for it, and I believe that it shows in the design. I hope gamers enjoy it as much as we do! It’s just a terrific feeling to put so much work into something and stick with it to completion. I find it very rewarding.

Writer David Kushner is also Digital Culture’s “Dot Comment” columnist. Photos by David Mecey.

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Live Chat with Stevie Case, Videogame Designer/Playboy.com Model

playboyhost	Welcome, everyone, to Playboy.com’s live chat with Daikatana designer and Playboy.com model Stevie Case! Hello, Stevie!
steviecase	Hey everyone! Thanks for coming!
nightcrawler	Hi, Stevie!
coolkat151	Hi Stevie, from Kansas City, MO!
steviecase	Hi, I used to live in Kansas City!
guest2	So, why pose nude?
steviecase	For me, it was more like, Why not? Playboy approached me, and I had no doubt in my mind — it’s a once in a lifetime opportunity!
admin	Stevie, what’s been your biggest accomplishment to date?
steviecase	I am most proud of successfully suing my high school on a First Amendment issue. They had censored a book from the library; we took them to court, and we got it back. I won an intellectual freedom award for that.
nightcrawler	Have you done any other modeling before?
steviecase	A little over the past year: Details. Rolling Stone. Hopefully, a calendar next month. I hope to do more. It’s fun.
nightcrawler	I hope this won’t be your last pictorial. :-)
steviecase	Me too!
guest27	When did you get into videogames?
steviecase	I’ve been playing since I was little. I was an intense addict. I really got addicted as a freshman in college with friends.
guest45	Donkey Kong or Space Invaders?
steviecase	(laughs) Donkey Kong, definitely!
guest2	Stevie, what’s your favorite videogame of all time?
steviecase	That’s tough…. My favorite game is Quake because that’s the one that totally changed my life. I also love Grim Fandango and Doom II.
guest62	So tell us about Daikatana.
steviecase	We just finished it; it’ll be out next week. The game is huge: four time periods, three main characters and many sidekicks. It’s a first-person shooter, with adventure and RPG elements.
guest10	So what is a typical day like for you?
steviecase	Well, nothing is typical right now. While we’re in development, the typical day is to go in around 10, work some hours, grab lunch, go back and work until I can’t see anymore.
	We’ll work as late as 4 or 5 in the morning.
guest70	Do you find it to be an advantage or a disadvantage being a woman in a male-dominated field?
steviecase	Both. The advantage is that it opens doors, they know your name, it’s easier to get yourself out there. The disadvantage is that it’s difficult to get people to take you seriously, to believe that you get work based on your talent. It’s a mixed blessing.
guest22	What’s it like to date your boss? And dominate him virtually?
steviecase	It’s challenging! It’s terrific because we get to see each other all the time, but there’s extra pressure too.
guest40	Marriage in the works?
steviecase	(laughs) You’d have to ask him! I think we both want to take it slow, though.
nightcrawler	Do you ever play a game on the Internet, and surprise people with your presence?
steviecase	Yes, sometimes. A lot of the time I play incognito, because people are either really friendly or really aggressive when they find out who I am.
coolkat151	What are your favorite games to Deathmatch on, and where would any of us be able to find you online to play with or against you?
steviecase	Daikatana, Quake 1, and Unreal Tournament. I play on several servers in Dallas, especially one called 5-Assed Monkey.
nightcrawler	Do you have a website anywhere?
steviecase	Yeah, I’m just starting one at Stevana.com — we have just a sign-up form there right now. In the next few weeks, there will be pictures and interviews and all kinds of cool stuff.
nightcrawler	What other things do you like to do? I saw in your interview that you mentioned working out; do you go to the gym religiously?
steviecase	No! I work out only at home because I hate the gym. I do some aerobics and some weightlifting in my living room.
guest55	What are you reading these days? Do you have time to read?
steviecase	Not a whole lot of time, but John, my boyfriend, reads to me in bed. We just finished Timeline by Michael Crichton. That was great.
guest27	When did you see your first Playboy magazine?
steviecase	I must have been six years old, and I found it under my parents’ bed. It was the Madonna cover. I didn’t get caught, but they could tell something was wrong because I was so freaked out. I finally told them I found it. They told me the human body is beautiful and that it’s OK to look at it.
guest67	Did you go to E3? Did you see anything really amazing?
steviecase	Yeah, E3 was a blast. I didn’t get to walk around much, but I saw a few things that were impressive: Anachronox, Rune and Chrono Cross especially.
guest27	What makes a good videogame, and what makes a great videogame?
steviecase	The difference is keeping the focus on how much fun the player has. It sounds so simple, but it’s easily lost in the development process. There is too much emphasis on technology and flashy stuff.
nightcrawler	When Daikatana is released, will you be touring around the country to promote the game?
steviecase	Probably not. It got tons of press in its development. We’re just going to focus on the next game.
nightcrawler	Are there any books or advice you’d give for someone interested in working on first-person-shooter games?
steviecase	There aren’t any good books that I know of, so just do your research: Play every game you can get your hands on. That’s the best way to get a feel for them.
thajudge	Regarding your comment on good games, doesn’t the game need to be more goal-oriented? Anything can be fun for a while, but I feel that you need to be working toward a purpose. My favorite games, such as Half-Life and Thief II, really draw you in, make you part of the story.
steviecase	A goal is important, but it can take different forms. There are very simple games, such as Tetris, that have hooked millions with no story: It has a goal, but it’s not a story-oriented one.
guest51	What the heck ever happened to everyone from Impulse9?
steviecase	They went all over the place. Several got jobs in the industry. Dr. Rigamortis works at Legends and several others work on gaming publications. Lawrence became a mecca for game developers.
guest33	Red wine or white?
steviecase	I ‘d have to go with white.
guest33	Right wing or left?
steviecase	Very left! Very very far left!
guest33	PC or Mac?
steviecase	PC, definitely.
nightcrawler	Can I still get a copy of your cover of PC Accelerator anywhere?
steviecase	Good question. Maybe contact the guys at PC Gamer magazine. They’re a sister magazine, and they may be able to help you.
guest13	What’s up with the small Mac mouse that you are holding in one of your Playboy pictures?
steviecase	(laughs) My photographer, David Mecey, wanted me to do it because he’s a huge Mac addict. He got all the hardware together for the shoot.
guest27	So what do you think of your photo shoot?
steviecase	I love it! The photos turned out really beautiful. I wish they had put up a few more of me smiling, but I’m very happy with it.
guest38	Are any of your friends as good-looking as you? Do you know Gillian Bonner, perchance?
steviecase	I do not know Gillian, but I’m hoping to meet her sometime. Unfortunately, because of the industry I’m in, I don’t know many women.
thajudge	Where are you from originally? I know you went to KU (I’m from Pittsburg, KS).
steviecase	I am from Olathe, Kansas. I moved to Texas about three years ago.
coolkat151	Do you ever make it back to Kansas City?
steviecase	Yeah, I’ll be going up there several times in the next few months. My dad still lives in Lawrence. I visit him, and I have some weddings to go to.
guest38	If you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?
steviecase	I’m 23.
nightcrawler	Is the shrine to you after you beat John still up? :-)
steviecase	Yeah, it’s hidden on the Ion Storm website. Enter the main site, and put your cursor over the word Games in the menu at the top. A tiny green “x” will appear in the top right corner of the screen — be sure you have your screen sized large enough to see it. Click on the “x” to get to the shrine!
playboyhost	What other Easter eggs can you tell us about? Are there any in Daikatana?
steviecase	A few if you look closely. Oh, I don’t want to give it away! You can find a certain special fish if you look closely, among other things.
nightcrawler	What are the specs of your ultimate gaming machine?
steviecase	I have it right now. I got a new machine last week. It’s a pIII 800, with 256M of RAM and a GeForce. I don’t think Ill need to upgrade for a while. Love it!
guest38	How would you classify yourself in high school? Were you a part of the popular crowd, or would you have considered yourself an academic/nerdy type?
steviecase	I was a nerdy type; I always did well in school and was never popular. I was the student body president, but only because they were afraid of me. That later became an asset.
guest27	What have you written for Rolling Stone?
steviecase	I appeared in Rolling Stone, on their Hot List. I think they called me a Hot Jock. I’m part of a league of cyberathletes.
playboyhost	What do cyberathletes do?
steviecase	I’m on the board of directors of The Cyberathlete Professional League; we host tournaments for videogamers. We had one last month in Dallas where we gave away $100,000. The first-place finisher got $40,000.
	The website is Cyberathlete.com.
nightcrawler	Do you have any preference as to video or sound card in your gaming machine?
steviecase	My video card pick would be a GeForce2. For sound card, I would go with Soundblaster Live.
guest27	Have you seen the PlayStation 2?
steviecase	Just briefly. But what I saw looked cool.
coolkat151	What to your mind is the best programming language out there?
steviecase	Oh gosh. That’s tough. I’m not a programmer. I’ll ask an expert (speaks with John Romero)…he says C. I’m hoping to learn to program someday.
guest38	What kinds of music do you listen to?
steviecase	I like a whole bunch of different kinds. My favorite band is Kill Creek, but I listen to lots of Stevie Nicks, Bree Sharp, Dokken — they’re awesome, I just saw them in concert. And Richard Buckner is phenomenal.
guest38	Is John Romero there with you right now? John, have you heard any of id’s comments on Daikatana yet?
johnromero	Nope. Not at all. It’s not out yet.
	I’m really proud of it. It turned out great.
guest38	Do you like Deftones or Limp Bizkit at all?
steviecase	I like both! I don’t listen to either a whole lot, but I enjoy both.
nightcrawler	What kinds of movies do you like to watch? TV programs?
steviecase	I don’t even have cable, so not much. South Park is great, and I’m aVH1 Behind the Music addict, and I love almost any new movie. Gladiatorwas just terrific.
guest27	Are you talking about the band Kill Creek from Lawrence?
steviecase	Yes, definitely. I borrowed my name from them, and they were very nice about it. They’re even coming out with a new CD soon. I’m excited about that.
thajudge	How was the Hawaiian vacation you just took? That turn out OK? (Like it couldn’t!)
steviecase	It was amazing! Relaxing. It was my first trip. I loved every minute of it. We went to Kauai and Honolulu.
guest20	Do you and John still play games, and who wins?
steviecase	We play constantly, almost every day. I win in Quake and Unreal Tournament; he wins at Doom II. We’re even in Daikatana.
guest18	Have you played The Sims?
steviecase	Yeah, I spent two weeks with it, and I loved it but was a little disappointed that it is so shallow. I wish it were replayable.
thajudge	I’m really glad you included cooperative play in Daikatana; I’m one of the few people who still loves working together rather than DM, (though I do plenty of that).
steviecase	We all love co-op; it was important to John to get that in.
	The single-player game feels a lot like co-op when you play with the sidekick.
guest38	I played some of the demo and think it’s really great. Too many of the people I showed Daikatana to were predisposed because of all the bad press for releasing late. Do you think the game was pushed too early to the fans? Also, did Ion ever officially give a date and then slip?
steviecase	I think it was pushed too early, and I hope we can avoid that in the future because I’m very proud of Daikatana; it’s a lot of fun and I don’t want to let anything get in the way of people trying it.
playboyhost	We have time for just a few more questions folks, and you can start getting your goodbyes in too.
guest27	So what are your plans for the future?
steviecase	I plan to stay at Ion Storm for several more years. I’m excited about whatever the next project will be, and I want to be a part of that. Also, I want to do more modeling — it’s been a blast, and I’d love to do more with Playboy if they’ll have me.
	Another short-term goal is to get my website up and running, and I’ve promised myself I’ll write a book before I turn 30.
coolkat151	Is there an email address or P.O. box that people or a fellow Kansas Citizen can reach you at for info on games or advice or anything?
steviecase	Sure. Email me at killcreek@ionstorm.com.
playboyhost	OK, everyone, let’s have your goodbyes and thanks to Stevie for a great chat!
guest27	Thanks for being with us, Stevie.
nightcrawler	Your pictorial turned out great too. :-)
coolkat151	Goodbye, Stevie! Maybe I’ll be lucky enough to bump into ya while you and John are in KC. Bye the way, I have the Daikatana demo and it’s terrific. Great job!
guest51	Stevie, this is ZzeusS from ICT, you used to own me in Quake at the House…but it will not happen in UT — ever! :) Good luck on the new lifestyle, may see you in KC, I’m at the Plaza. C-ya!
thajudge	Good luck in everything, and I hope DK goes over good for you! I’ll be watching for your next titles!
guest38	Will you and John be Deathmatching anywhere tonight? It would be cool if all of the chat attendees could get a match in with you guys. If not, thanks for spending time to chat with us. John’s a lucky man.
steviecase	Thanks a lot you guys, maybe we can do it again sometime. You asked terrific questions and this past hour has been a lot of fun for me. Please visit Stevana.com, and come say hi to me at the next E3!
playboyhost	Thanks, everyone, for your participation in another great chat! Remember that Playmates chat every weekday in the Playboy Cyber Club atcyber.playboy.com. Goodnight!

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Comments from ClanBase.com:

:P (210.49.26.5) 12 May 03:25
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The fuk is this big titted bitch her tits look so fake
Zk0RP (CnS) 2 May 19:39
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no I am because me is the last one BUHAHAHA owned =]
Necromancer (Clanbase Crew) 2 May 14:28
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Whee, last post. Am i not lame? :)
spanky (Sons Of Elysium) 20 Dec 13:02
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COM5AT wrote:
I should make or join a better clan for a good result!!!!

You do that.
COM5AT (203.167.2.113) 2 Dec 08:53
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I should make or join a better clan for a good result!!!!
COM5AT (203.167.2.113) 2 Dec 08:49
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MOre practice and tactics for next CPL lolzzzzzzzzz
Your mom (195.58.111.109) 28 Sep 00:17
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Romero is a fucking cocksmoker… I would have fraged her fat ass to the stoneage… no woman is a match for a man in games!!!

I own you bitches!!! :)
FlawLezZ (213.73.193.73) 16 Aug 15:37
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I Like here body ,and the way she play
Semaj Dnob (212.186.12.134) 8 Aug 13:29
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Protagonist wrote:
Romero let her win. i would too.

*LOL*

eaZe (Clanbase crew) 30 Jul 17:02
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Hmm, why does a good body make you a hooker? Never the less, she’s not that fine though.
cyberbetica (Tacktical Troopers and Crazy Hippie) 23 Jul 09:43
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hookerrr
[D^2]Blofeld (Death Squared) 9 Jul 18:51
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I’ve spoken to tha girl, she is actually a verry nice, warm girl, NOT a bitch. As I expected. O and ‘ve got her card etc. too

-BF-
Eezy_Pickins (CounterStrike Addiction) 17 Jun 19:31
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sanchez wrote:
What self respecting woman loves to hang around nerdy teenagers that have a 100% focus on the game they’re playing at the lan?

I dunno about anyone else, but next lan i go, i ain’t gonna be 100% focused on the game, i’m gonna 100% focused on having a laff, getting blitzed beyond any reasonable doubt and making an arse of myself, and attempt to stay pissed for 3 consecutive days :P
getting a bit out of hand this thread, ffs it’s a game, she’s a good gamer, what else is there to it?
Protagonist (193.1.212.254) 30 May 19:56
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Romero let her win. i would too.
Hellbean (24.28.22.179) 26 May 05:29
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She is hot, a good involved gamer and sort of a celeb with quakers. What’s wrong with her being invited. Some of you so called cyber-athletes just take yourselfs and a game too damn serious. T&A = Exposure= more profits(incentives) for the whole gaming industry. Which leads to all these toys we have and desire. Just look at the vid card industry and the effect gaming has on it and vice a versa.
My 2 cents.
Polar (Army of Sin) 17 May 22:29
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little discussing kids…where’s all the fuzz about, it’s just some CHICK with boobs coming to cpl, i wish she’ll sit on my lap and to a lapdance.Dunno why u guys bother
McKev^ (Mystery clan) 17 May 17:19
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lol, wankerZz
ArfmaN (Bullet in your Eye) 16 May 16:32
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[-SpUtNiK-] wrote:
haha :)

i sat right next to her during the cs finals beamer broadcast on the cpl… (and i can tell u i did NOT watch the match ;))

i know…oh my god she is sooooooooooooo pretty and horny ! :)
[-SpUtNiK-] (Great advanced Fighters CB Team) 14 May 20:49
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haha :)

i sat right next to her during the cs finals beamer broadcast on the cpl… (and i can tell u i did NOT watch the match ;))
sanchez (Clan E) 22 Apr 19:05
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sk.missgunst wrote:
if she would attend the cpl as an active gamer it would be ok…but you should also think of the other female gamers…dunno, i would not like to play if there are some kind of “chicks” around…

cheers

rofl dude. thats why normal girls never watch tv or movies! Imagine the hell of seeing a “chicka”.
sk.missgunst (62.156.42.138) 14 Apr 00:25
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if she would attend the cpl as an active gamer it would be ok…but you should also think of the other female gamers…dunno, i would not like to play if there are some kind of “chicks” around…

cheers
dEofol (150.132.240.57,150.132.144.41) 10 Apr 14:49
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Aw gee forgot my closing point…

Ofcourse the soviet aint a good thing (even I know that) But you see that without censorship we will have extremities in a collective that changes the enforced set of rules. This really highlights that its NOT what people do thats important its how its interpreted. The problem then is that its problematic to get a clean interpretation on any issue.

I do not think that human equality principles can be applied in aspects where its hard to interpret the meaning. Salaries are easy: equal job=equals pay, but when it comes to illusive issues like these is a moot point yet again.

PS: Now the female/male discussions is a problem, but I think most of it originates in the fact that most women likes to work with men and not other women. And the males tend to like working with males so the women is fighting uphill. Now the reason for this is ellusive (might be old genetics) but a large part I think is that males are supposed to carry more meaning a women/male work relation often cant be fair (yet). But thats only me thinking loud and not something I consider “right”. But its a hard issue, for instance “Being a gentleman” works against all concepts of equal rights but how fund would things be without it?
dEofol (150.132.240.57,150.132.144.41) 10 Apr 14:27
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:) Hiya folks have fun yet? This is most probably not read anymore but I just felt I wanted to chip in since I am bored at work and leaving tomorrow.

My background, oh old. Heard of Killcreek way back when she turned the world around by trashing Romero in Quake, think she joined a female clan or something way back then. I also knew she got hooked up with Romero (ex as I understand it) and I also knew she posed for playboy but had no idea she had a boob job. So yes I was around when Castle Wolfenstein 3D popped up.

My first position here is to level the playfield, the general feeling I got when I read most of the thread is that it turns into a women bashes men bashes women thang which is way wrong. So I start with saying that men can be jerks, and women can be jerks also. Thats equality for ya :) Just as in all communities or collectives a dominance of one race/opinion/gender/etc/etc makes the collective biased. The point of equal rights is to try to make people realise this and to stand on a higher level and see things for what they are.

As an example we can take this community; most are men so things go like this; Aw gee a girl cool (who would care if it had been a man to start with), in a all women group the situation had been reversed. We are forced to accept that these things happen, the human is a being largely controlled be a will to fit in which in turn favors stereotyped groups, ofcourse these things might/might not be apart of out genetical heritage or not but thats a moot point in all but a VERY large perspective.

Anyway,what has all this to do with Killcreek? Well the point has been missed by most I think. The main reason for inviting her is that she is well known. Thats it. Now the reason for that might be that people only have seen her in Playboy (sad) or that they actually know about her involvment. There is no blame on Killcreek whatsoever she if free to do what she wishes, the only blame can be placed on the promotion of her role so that people from that only get the opinion that Playvoy is the only thing she has done (dont know never saw the promo).

:) What most people fail to realise that until the human psyche changes (if it does) we can only enforce rules that we find morally right. This leads to a collective full of conflicts where extereme behaviour will be a way to gain attention. In Sweden for instance we had a fairly good human equal thing. All it takes is a few individuals that ignore that and for fame does what they want (strip naked or whatever), if it catches the public eye it will get on the billboard and thus it draws a crowd etc etc etc You see the problem? To really enforce a human equality in a large scale you need to add censorship, a good example is old Sovjetunion :)

/Have fun
sanchez (Clan E) 7 Apr 14:15
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e9-even wrote:
just wanted to say that i totally agree with godsmurf… this just adds to gaming being seem like a sport for young males who wet themselves seeing a pair of breasts.

Is it ir isn’t it? Know ya aint got the guts to make such a statement tho… cause its the scene you’re in.
e9-even (195.67.20.5) 6 Apr 15:53
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e9-even wrote:
just wanted to say that i totally agree with godsmurf… this just adds to gaming being seem like a sport for young males who wet themselves seeing a pair of breasts.

scratch: being
e9-even (195.67.20.5) 6 Apr 15:52
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just wanted to say that i totally agree with godsmurf… this just adds to gaming being seem like a sport for young males who wet themselves seeing a pair of breasts.
TCBO1 (213.224.25.108) 5 Apr 22:45
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sanchez wrote:
Godsmurf wrote:
TCB:
funny how you think you know me, and yet succeed in arguing against the exact opposite of what I’ve been saying.

Jeez, you know what he means duh. Dont think you’re that stupid.

wel… i don’t think he’s stupid , and i was expecting much more people to react on my last quote because it was indeed the exact opposite of what smurf is saying..i was quite aware of that…. the reason why almost no one is reacting on that might be one of the following:

A: this rediculess thread is not being read anymore, and about to end , haleluja !!
B: No one understands what this is all about, and who can blame them..
C: No one is paying attention ( exept for a few ) or don’t care about what others are saying…

my point is this: this is not what gaming is about guys.

And smurf; you think its funny how i think i know you because i’ve said these things about you…???

wel…then i think you must know killcreek really wel when you are saying things like this about her:

Godsmurf wrote:

You think paying some bimbo to show up is good for pro gaming?

Right…?? you’d which….lets see how you react at the cpl when you meet her… IF you meet her that is…

But then again…who cares…
sanchez (Clan E) 5 Apr 18:44
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Godsmurf wrote:
TCB:
funny how you think you know me, and yet succeed in arguing against the exact opposite of what I’ve been saying.

Jeez, you know what he means duh. Dont think you’re that stupid.
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 5 Apr 17:59
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TCB:
funny how you think you know me, and yet succeed in arguing against the exact opposite of what I’ve been saying.

TCBO1 wrote:
So Godsmurf…stick with what you do on CB ( whatever that may be ) instead of thinking it makes the gaming scene look bad that there are attending female gamers to big lan events…
TCBO1 (213.118.34.31) 5 Apr 12:40
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the bottomline is this : Godsmurf has been trying hard to be asshole #1 on CB, and he’s succeding very wel lately…. once again- as he has been told many times before – he’s forgetting what gaming is all about… imho gaming is about having fun, if not alone or on the net, then with friends or on a LAN…. if you can catch some money while doing al this, then that’s very nice….. but he’s just taking himself to seriously ( or wants us to think that.. ) and al this pro gaming stuff is just a hipe.Its cool that there is so much money going around , but thats just for a handfull of very skilled players… so the main reason why most poeple come to big LANS is TO HAVE FUN… and if there wil be some girls around, then that wil be ( lets hope ) a nice distraction.
So Godsmurf…stick with what you do on CB ( whatever that may be ) instead of thinking it makes the gaming scene look bad that there are attending female gamers to big lan events… We’ll make that up for ourselves.. 8)
sanchez (Clan E) 5 Apr 01:57
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USA The TRUTH… wrote:
…is that they are using Killcreek for her T&A as much as her being a “famous gamer”. Comon, wake up, SEX SELLS, thats what this is about, admit it! It is bigger than making us gamers all look like “nerds”, it’s go to what image we put out their to other woman too!

Oh, there not paying her a “salary” per se, but travel and hotel, lmfao, can I get the same deal? Hahaha, look, no offense to Killcreek, but the fact is they are using her as an object to attract young males..FACT. It’s a fact, don’t try and deny it because that only insults us more, when you sponsors, corporations, companies think that the consumer is so blatantly ignorant not to realize this.

—————>SEX SELLS<—————-known fact. =D

Yes, consumers fall for it every fuckin time :) People like nice things, you’re just trying to look smarter then the companies which you arent. You’re being played haha.

Its like you go to the local grocery somewhere, you see two brands of milk, one has a picture with a nice sunset and a cow or two on it.. all made to look nicer then in reality.. and the other shows a picture where you see the cows getting milked, with all the ugly surrounding shit around it. You’ll take the first one for sure. This means you’re being ignorant cause probably the first uses the same system to milk the cows as the first. Companies know this. You obviously know this also but dont act on it.

This is same for all I guess, things that appear nicer get more attraction then things that look as they are in reality. If 98% of the people that game online are male it would be stupid for a company not to use some sort of thing that attracts that group. And as you point out, sex sells. So its very smart for the CPL to get someone as a representative who attracts that group. Aka kc, she’s perfect for it. 1. She gamed. 2. She’s known as such in the gaming scene. 3. She has the ‘T&A’ guys like to look at. Who would be more perfect for this scene? Played.

And fyi, women are just as bad as man are. You have any idea why all them “boy bands” are so fuckin popular? Cause the music is that damn good? No fuckin way, most of it sucks bigtime but damn, girls like them boys. Played again.

I’d say people are ignorant as fuck and we DO know it but cant help falling for it again and again just cause it makes us feel good.. you want to deny all that?

Or just throw all the people that go for big tits or boybands from the world and hope the “less ignorant” people will create a world you would like. This means, btw, that the world will stop evolving. No more innovations, cause there’s no money. You need the mass. You want back to the stone-age or summin? Cant really understand why you use the internet anywayz, you are against it damn.
USA The TRUTH… (172.19.15.22) 4 Apr 23:06
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…is that they are using Killcreek for her T&A as much as her being a “famous gamer”. Comon, wake up, SEX SELLS, thats what this is about, admit it! It is bigger than making us gamers all look like “nerds”, it’s go to what image we put out their to other woman too!

—————>SEX SELLS<—————-known fact. =D
zfz-badmole (64.160.23.13) 4 Apr 15:04
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datbadboyswebadboysomhiimbadandsexuosowebaddatbadomshitpigguissexu

OM !BADBOYS!
sanchez (Clan E) 4 Apr 14:41
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zfz-bog wrote:
Besides who could resist a room fool of seasoned gamers conversating about mousing surfaces and number of textures rendered per clock? we are too sexy.

Yeah! Ya can also buy posters from fatality and other famous quakers in your local poster store!

Anywayz.. why is it that the gaming scene is mostly a male scene? Somehow guys dig sitting behind their comp day after day, the majority of girls dont.. I mean heh, they dont really understand why we do it.. its like, ‘wtf you’re behind you’re comp for like 8 hours straight, day after day, damn, isnt that boring?’ And if ya dont know em personal they’ll probably think you’re a nerd or summin.

So until girls dig computers/gaming as much as guys do you’ll never get rid of the nerd status, kc attending a lan or not. Atleast she’s interested in the gaming scene, unlike most other girls.
zfz-bog (138.23.64.30) 4 Apr 11:16
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I’m going to assume anything I was about to say has already been said. I dont know KC personally, and i doubt many of the people flinging mud at her here do too.

Its a reality that the gaming companies pander to “geeks and nerds” thinking we’ll go gaga over a knockout model. But to simplify things a bit, I’m sure we all would.

Sex sells, even Frued would agree. But what I would object to, is imediate judgement of KC as a bimbo. What basis do we have for that?

Independent of that, carshows have models on their cars, most major sports have cheerleaders, I doubt models or babes showing up at gaming events would really make us look that bad.

I dont think we should sit around a presume what everone’s intentions are motivations are and judge them on those presumptions.

Besides who could resist a room fool of seasoned gamers conversating about mousing surfaces and number of textures rendered per clock? we are too sexy.
outsider (62.7.56.133) 4 Apr 04:58
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If genders were reversed, there’d be 90% girls and the guest would be a popstar who was already a renowned gamer. Any problem?
btw, since when does ‘female Big Brother contestant’ = Playboy model?
Playboy model = ‘escort girl’?
KC = ‘bimbo’ or ‘artificial babe’?
Feminism = people telling women what choices they should be making?
Equality is not dull. Things do not have to be the same to be equal. The sexes are equal, but different.
outsider (62.7.56.133) 4 Apr 04:33
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On the contrary, I’m a feminist and I rather meet real women in real circumstances than artificial babes who are being paid to be friendly to me.[/quote] ROFL ru 4 real? ur making such value judgements on women. It’s about empowering women, it’s about women being able to choose. i may not agree with all KC’s life choices, but I defend absolutely her right to make them. Actually, I am concerned that she only got invited to appear in Playboy because of her gaming skills. There are plenty of other gorgeous women around, they didn’t have to pick her. I think her image as a gamer will put other women off being models.
imposter (62.7.56.133) 4 Apr 04:09
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Can i make a few points – as a total outsider.
Seems KC is invited on merit, not assets. If she is, then this shows an awful lot about the assumptions and prejudices of those objecting to her presence. Quite clearly she is not there SOLELY for appearing in Playboy. If her celeb status has tipped the balance in her favour, then so what? Her invite would also be justified because of the interest generated by her being a gaming playboy model. This is a good thing, cos, let’s be honest, even if you are not predominantly geeky adolescent male nerds, gaming still has that image. KC is far more likely to attract girls to gaming than to scare them away.
Keisari Elvis (212.213.36.46) 29 Mar 16:46
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What can be nerdier than tying to prove you are not a nerd? If you are really concerned about how nerdy the gaming industry looks like, hey forget it. It’s not like you were forced to attend the events.

Oh and I forgot,
too bad she got a boob job, I like natural tits more, they feel better and the real thing is always the real thing.
Keisari Elvis (195.197.160.11) 29 Mar 15:48
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What can be nerdier than tying to prove you are not a nerd? If you are really concerned about how nerdy the gaming industry looks like, hey forget it. It’s not like you were forced to attend the events.

Oh and I forgot,
too bad she got a boob job, I like natural tits more, they feel better and the real thing is always the real thing.
Keisari Elvis (195.197.160.11) 29 Mar 15:15
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Oh Jeez
I never really liked the word nerd as such as I don’t really care what people do, do what you feel like whatever it might be. Play games if you like…
Godsmurf
The only thing pathetic about this whole conversation is this conversation in whole.
There has always been good looking, boob jobed, huge breasted women in shows. There’s always good lookin babes in car shows and they are not there because they are great drivers and yes, they are paid.
KillCreek beeing an oldtime gamer and having even little experience in level designing and the gaming industry is just a plus.
Some friends of mine actually entered a foikin’ building industry show because they got free tickets and there were good looking chicks there. The chicks weren’t there because of their advanced knowledge of bricks (and yes, they were paid to be there).
I don’t give a rat ass if Stevie was paid and neither should you
Just enjoy the show – and her company of course ;)

ps. I never attended a game show and prolly never will. Not because I’m afraid to labelled as a nerd but because they are too much trouble =). I just enjoy some games when I got the time.

pps. after 9 months in the army, I pretty much drool when ever I came across any female. WE MEN ARE THE WEAKER SEX

ppps. What could be nerdier than trieng to sound smart and mature on a web message board, isn’t life controversial?
Zemerdon (156.62.204.74) 27 Mar 01:40
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does she still play QW ? xD
sanchez (Clan E) 26 Mar 18:43
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Dirk wrote:
To me it’s a horror that so many woman are undergoing cosmetical surgery just because the girls on TV are made to look perfect.

The world is what we make it.

Let em watch more Fashion TV :) Tho then they maybe try to get just as skinny.. cant have that either.

I’m gonne do facial surgery too! I want to look like Brad Pitt…
Dirk (190.1.45.178) 26 Mar 18:10
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To me it’s a horror that so many woman are undergoing cosmetical surgery just because the girls on TV are made to look perfect.

The world is what we make it.
sanchez (Clan E) 26 Mar 17:25
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[-Kf-]Smurfie wrote:
So easy to see this :

If we only wanted a famous playboy girl we could have asked some Big Brother or The Bus girl, which would have been much easier and cheaper to arrange.

mind the cheaper part :]

If she would be paid that is yes :) And cheaper as in cheaper no flight costs etc.. a local girl doesn’t have to fly from usa to here. So yes, it would be cheaper. Owned?

gg GodSmurf….pitty there are a lot of brainless people out there.

Yeh like you :)
[-Kf-]Smurfie (10.1.3.221) 26 Mar 16:01
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So easy to see this :

If we only wanted a famous playboy girl we could have asked some Big Brother or The Bus girl, which would have been much easier and cheaper to arrange.

mind the cheaper part :]

gg GodSmurf….pitty there are a lot of brainless people out there.
xorgal (team9) 26 Mar 10:33
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oooomg plz show me some ass and i will win it all , l bye!
SelfBias (Mystery Clan) 24 Mar 20:21
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Godsmurf wrote:

The persistance and stubbornness with which you keep missing the point is really amazing. What part of “I’m not attacking her in person for posing in playboy” is it that you cannot grasp?

You did however call her a bimbo, there goes your Feminism/sensitivity course ;p

The main discussion is wether she’s been invited to the CPL because of her (obvious) involvement with the CPL , or because she has been in playboy.
I can tell you for sure that just hiring another local girl who has been in playboy is cheaper then flying one over from the USA.
Is it that hard to comprehend that she wasn’t invited alone (both Cliffy B and Angel Munoz have been invited too) and she was the only one who wanted to be there hard enough to free up the time ?
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 20:16
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SairasImu wrote:
I have already stated a couple of times what I mean, you would just have had to read it! Or can’t you understand if it’s not posted in a list? You’re making me confused. You are a bot, right!? I have to stop before I really get into this insulting business…

No list :) You can’t?
Zephyrus (24.132.10.199) 24 Mar 20:11
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rofl! stop wasting ur time by discussing this nonsense =)
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 20:03
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Dante wrote:

You never cease to amaze me in your simple arguing (btw. do you live on this thread?).

So nothing links to her being invited at least in great part for her being a “hot bunny”. Just look at the picture of her in the news we are commenting here and tell me it portrays her as the great QW player, Game developer or CPL staff that got you claim got her invited to the event. Look at the playboy link and the announcement on the CPL Europe page that states that she will “hot” up the event. Look at the first comments in this thread and tell me that’s not what the organizers were counting on, when inviting her.

I bet you will but that only shows how you totally refuse to try to see things from a different point of view. You prefer to purposely misunderstand people and insult them. So have fun with it, I’ll leave you alone in this thread from now on since arguing with someone like you is obviously a waste of time.

Thanks to Godsmurf and the Dangergirl (sorry forgot the name) for the refreshing discussion.

bla bla bla, thx for doing the same as smurf and giving up.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 19:59
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sanchez wrote:
So sad hehehe.. this really makes me laugh. You’re bringing in the whole world, laying shit in other peoples mouth. WTF is wrong with you? Who the fuck said anything about boob fixes and or playboy means women have to be behind kitchens. This is so far out.

I can, just now, say that there is a connection between playboy and sterotyped gender roles and I could also list a number of books and persons saying this. If you take o look outside your playboy magazine or just learned to read and not just look at the pictures (you have in your posts here proven that you are not capable of reading very well, and your skills in communication does not exist) you’d find out that I’m not trying to discuss pro or con boob jobs (but “boobs” seems to be the only thing you can register, hmm….) I thought abstract thinking ususally apperad around seven years of age.

Exactly, boobs and playboy are individual choices. Nothing todo with women behind kitchens. That relation is not from this world.

The only thing so far that is out of this world is you. Please for the love of god or anyone else for that matter, try to read at least what you chooce to comment! Btw, Are you a bot?

If not: learn to read, find out what feministic theory is before you try to say this utterly stupid thing you keep saying. And are you sure you’re not a bot?

That what you mean? If not, write such a list then, really would like to see it. You probably won’t cause you know damn well it means you’re talking about things which have nothing todo with a link to playboy.

I have already stated a couple of times what I mean, you would just have had to read it! Or can’t you understand if it’s not posted in a list? You’re making me confused. You are a bot, right!? I have to stop before I really get into this insulting business…
Dante (212.22.34.71) 24 Mar 19:57
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You never cease to amaze me in your simple arguing (btw. do you live on this thread?).

Thanks to Godsmurf and the Dangergirl (sorry forgot the name) for the refreshing discussion.
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 19:32
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SairasImu wrote:
Because advertisers amongst others conserve obsolete gender roles. There is a big discussion about this, unfortunately mostly at universities, but absolutely not only there, and there is much controversy. Some say like you, it’s genetically determined that women should stand in the kitchen with children, look good and like DiCaprio, while men have their set rules on how to be.

So sad hehehe.. this really makes me laugh. You’re bringing in the whole world, laying shit in other peoples mouth. WTF is wrong with you? Who the fuck said anything about boob fixes and or playboy means women have to be behind kitchens. This is so far out.

Others say like me, that this is social constructions about how we think women and men are supposed to be. This second view makes change possible. And many want to change this, and make it more equal, up to the individual to chooce his/her lives, regardless of their gender.

Exactly, boobs and playboy are individual choices. Nothing todo with women behind kitchens. That relation is not from this world.

And yes it can be done, much has already happened, but there sure is much left to be done. I know this is hardly the right place to discuss this, but then again perhaps it is, it sure would be needed. For example by questioning the exact thing I’ve been questioning here.

Say what you want. Like:

1. Boobs aren’t allowed.
2. Playboy posing means whenever you get invitied for something people like you think she’s only invited cause she posed for playboy.
3. Posing in playboy is not something people should respect and never should talk about. It’s BAD.
4. Playboy should be banned.
5. TV should be banned cause sometimes hot people appear on the screen.
6. Movies are bad for society cause they also have hot people appearing.
7. Going out of your own house shouldn’t be allowed cause you might see things which are bad. God forbid you may meet a girl who posed for playboy which makes you think women should be behind kitchens.
8. Stop living.

Bunnies RULE! Obey them! Killer Rabbits forever.
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 19:19
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Dante wrote:
sanchez wrote:
Dante wrote:

Who’s saying this?

You’re saying she’s being invited cause she’s “hot”. Listen to griff for fuckin real sake. You’ve got no point at all in relation to killcreek cause nothing links to it. If you think something does you’re a sad person who cant deal with different people.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 19:14
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And I believe that having girls as primary sexobjects (wether it is the case in KC’s appearing at CPL Holland or not), has EVERYTHING to do with primal instincts.. why do you think that sex sells ? why has every ad which should address females small kids in it ?

Because advertisers amongst others conserve obsolete gender roles. There is a big discussion about this, unfortunately mostly at universities, but absolutely not only there, and there is much controversy. Some say like you, it’s genetically determined that women should stand in the kitchen with children, look good and like DiCaprio, while men have their set rules on how to be. Others say like me, that this is social constructions about how we think women and men are supposed to be. This second view makes change possible. And many want to change this, and make it more equal, up to the individual to chooce his/her lives, regardless of their gender. And yes it can be done, much has already happened, but there sure is much left to be done. I know this is hardly the right place to discuss this, but then again perhaps it is, it sure would be needed. For example by questioning the exact thing I’ve been questioning here.
Dante (212.22.34.71) 24 Mar 18:44
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sanchez wrote:
Dante wrote:

Who’s saying this?

You are a funny guy Sanchez. How more simple can I write stuff. I write: “I say …” and you write “who is saying this?”. What part of “I” did you not understand? Try reading posts before you answer.
Orion (Clanbase crew) 24 Mar 18:02
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SairasImu wrote:
Orion wrote:
If you know the answer how to change your own primal instincts, please enlighten us. GL trying though.

Why do you suddenly bring up racism, anti-semitism and even more previously homophobia ? I find that to say the least very strange… I thought the discussion covered something which is in my view completely different.

And I believe that having girls as primary sexobjects (wether it is the case in KC’s appearing at CPL Holland or not), has EVERYTHING to do with primal instincts.. why do you think that sex sells ? why has every ad which should address females small kids in it ?

It really works both ways you know.. for men AND women.. why do you think Brad Pitt/DiCaprio movies attrack so many female visitors ? It ain’t because of the talent of those actors.. believe me.

My fear is that you want the human race to be more complex than it really is.. we’re not that much different from animals.
We may have somewhat more intelligence at hand, but that’s about it.

Your “primal instincts” is just a conception used for conservation of existing ideas and relations. Further more, the connection between the urge for reproduction and playboy-bunnies at LAN-parties is not casually determined. You have to seperate ideas of facts from moral standards. How things are do not interfere with how we think they should be. And how things are, is never certain. And as piglet pointed out, things do change, and so has your concept of “primal instincts” done; what used to be thought of as unchangeable facts has indeed changed. Before taking the concept “primal instincts” to the discussion you’ll have to argue for what that concept stands for and why we should accept it.

My reply to Piglet’s post was merely to show that it didn’t contribute to this discussion and was ment in a cynical way – I was suprised Piglet didn’t bring in “world hunger” and other injustices.
WK.Chong (Whizzkids) 24 Mar 17:04
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I don’t want to enter the discussion on primal instincts because we can still talk about that for a few weeks to come.

Just wanted to point something out to the people saying “only clanbase provided a link to playboy”, being, on the official CPL europe page Killcreek is promoted as someone “who will certainly “hot” up the event”.

Even IF she was invited because she is a level designer/gamer, the cpl still promotes her (mainly) as a “Hot bunnny”. I therefore agree with the dangergirl (name is hard to spell :) and with the Divine smurf.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 16:53
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smr-christo (and many others)

Your ignorance is mindwobbling!

All of those who might want to discuss about serial problems like racism,discrimination and so on : plz go to the right forums and write to newspapers. This is not the right place for that.

Interesting view, so if these things appear here, I shall ignore it? (Note that I did not make a joke about “serial”.)

Btw: I have changed tactics. Since rational arguments won’t stick (like water on a dutch, or how the phrase goes?), I’m moving on to pure insults and will simply try to wear my antagonists out by humongous numbers of posts, wish me luck.
smr-christo (217.5.87.79) 24 Mar 16:44
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Never tought that there are so many stupid guys out there to make a big discussion about an very unimportant theme like this.Im looking forward to some hopefully great and intensive matches.Killcreek is coming because she is one of us like many other girls playing quake or other fps. Stop this discussion immediately and be glad to welcome her and other female players at CPL.

No normal human being would make such a querel out of this fact.

Nice to welcome you Killcreek here in europe ! Hope you have not the wrong impression of us,although its the only cpl where guys are talking such bullshit.

Btw :

All of those who might want to discuss about serial problems like racism,discrimination and so on : plz go to the right forums and write to newspapers. This is not the right place for that.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 16:39
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Orion wrote:
If you know the answer how to change your own primal instincts, please enlighten us. GL trying though.

That is a question between the view of social constructivism versus your deterministic “primal instincts”. I for one do not think having girls as primary sexobjects has anything to do with primal instincts, just as I don’t think black people or jews are genetically lesser then white. Your “primal instincts” is just a conception used for conservation of existing ideas and relations. Further more, the connection between the urge for reproduction and playboy-bunnies at LAN-parties is not casually determined. You have to seperate ideas of facts from moral standards. How things are do not interfere with how we think they should be. And how things are, is never certain. And as piglet pointed out, things do change, and so has your concept of “primal instincts” done; what used to be thought of as unchangeable facts has indeed changed. Before taking the concept “primal instincts” to the discussion you’ll have to argue for what that concept stands for and why we should accept it.
Orion (Clanbase crew) 24 Mar 16:24
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Piglet wrote:
Ok here we go.
I would like to enlighten some of you with some facts from history.
To you who say that “this is nothing we can do about, we cant change it, it is nature”.(And so on and so on). If people had thought like you, nothing in this world would have change.

If you know the answer how to change your own primal instincts, please enlighten us. GL trying though.

Woman still wouldnt have the right to vote, black people would still be slaves in some parts of america and Jews would have do hide because people hated them and blamed even bad weather on them.

You forgot the Islam.. you’ll have to turn the biggest Religion on the world around too.. you have valid point in your opinion.. GL again.

So.. everybody who doesn’t agree with you is a sexist-racist-homofobic-rainbowguy ?
That shines a complete different light on the case.. thnx for sharing.. btw.. i think it’s wrong to only mention the rainbowguys… wouldn’t you agree ?
Orion (Clanbase crew) 24 Mar 16:17
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J@cuzzi wrote:
Well, in that case you should only accuse the CB staff of sexism, coz they are the only ones who link to her Playboy article. The organisation of CPL Holland never used it to promote her visit to the event.

Yes… we Clanbase-papparazzi are all sexist pigs :)
Piglet (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 16:14
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Ok here we go.
I would like to enlighten some of you with some facts from history.
To you who say that “this is nothing we can do about, we cant change it, it is nature”.(And so on and so on). If people had thought like you, nothing in this world would have change. Woman still wouldnt have the right to vote, black people would still be slaves in some parts of america and Jews would have do hide because people hated them and blamed even bad weather on them.
And the most funny part of this is, that this is what Sanchez think is great, because equality is dull
Equality means GRAY! Aka dull(…)

I am a feminist and stand for equal rights for both gender.Men get better salary for the same job etcetc. And that is something i want to change,in the same way i want to change peoples views on other people just because of the colour on their skin. Be it dull in some people minds, I dont give a damn. I rather then be grey then a sexist-racist-homofobic-rainbowguy.
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 24 Mar 15:52
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SairasImu wrote:
The fact that there is a link to playboy in the news item above is enough for having this discussion.

Well, in that case you should only accuse the CB staff of sexism, coz they are the only ones who link to her Playboy article. The organisation of CPL Holland never used it to promote her visit to the event.
Quint (Mystery Clan) 24 Mar 15:40
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It’s great if she isn’t, but I still think this has at least a big part in her being invited. And her being a playboy bunny is how she seems to be promoted and recieved. The fact that there is a link to playboy in the news item above is enough for having this discussion. In other words I’m not attacking her in person for posing in playboy (that is an other discussion) or even CPL for inviting her, I’m asking why there has to be a link to playboy here at clanbase if she is invited as a level designer and/or CPL-staff?

If you read the original messages at gamez.nl, cpleurope.com & netgamez.nl you will see that they mention what you like to see. The clanbase news item is the only one mentioning she has been in Playboy.
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 15:39
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Godsmurf wrote:
sanchez wrote:
Wouldn’t it be better for all, including her, if she could be respected as such

No, why would there be a difference if you make maps or pose in playboy, both things ya do out of ya own will. You make it seem she can’t be respected if someone mentions she’s in playboy.. reason: cause you’re uptight and scared of the word playboy?

The persistance and stubbornness with which you keep missing the point is really amazing.

Ya ya.. we already all know these are your kinda answers.. why ya keep bugging us with it?

when all that seems to be bad excuses for having over a playboy bunny?

In this case it’s just called being naive.

Heh, yeah uptight bitch! Slap me jezus!

Anything original to add smurfy?
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 24 Mar 15:34
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sanchez wrote:
Wouldn’t it be better for all, including her, if she could be respected as such

The persistance and stubbornness with which you keep missing the point is really amazing. What part of “I’m not attacking her in person for posing in playboy” is it that you cannot grasp?

when all that seems to be bad excuses for having over a playboy bunny?

In this case it’s just called being naive.
Xtream (194.236.62.70) 24 Mar 15:16
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She’s a girl, give her some slack..

She rules.
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 15:10
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SairasImu wrote:
It’s great if she isn’t, but I still think this has at least a big part in her being invited. And her being a playboy bunny is how she seems to be promoted and recieved. The fact that there is a link to playboy in the news item above is enough for having this discussion. In other words I’m not attacking her in person for posing in playboy (that is an other discussion) or even CPL for inviting her, I’m asking why there has to be a link to playboy here at clanbase if she is invited as a level designer and/or CPL-staff?

Cause we’re not all uptight freaks who get scared when they see the word playboy somewhere? It’s probably there cause its some of the highlights of what she’s known for..

What disturbs me most is that there wouldn’t be a discussion like this if, say, John Carmack would go to CPL Holland. Just for the way KC looks these days, people like you ASSUME that this is the reason for her coming to the CPL. All I do is disagree with that assumption, because she already was there to promote the CPL years ago, when she was this pure and plain little girl. You judge her by the way she looks and by some decisions she made out of her own free will that didn’t harm anyone. I think that’s wrong, even discriminating.
Maybe I’m too naieve. So once again, if she WAS invited for her looks, I totally agree with you that this would not be good for the gaming community. In this case, I just think you’re too cynical.

No! You’re banning stuff she’s done! Why? Cause you get “hurt” by it? So sad. You have problems with yourself.. why oh why you start trying to convince other people to have the same problems with themselfs? Get some selfrespect or summin.

Wouldn’t it be better for all, including her, if she could be respected as such

when all that seems to be bad excuses for having over a playboy bunny?

You’re saying that, listen to griff or summin damn. It’s no EXCUSE. You’re sooo blinded by her boobs or summin. Pretty sad. Atleast I know alot of other people aren’t that blinded and dont assume the worst with everything.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 14:46
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First, people who still think this is about one women with big breast and nothing more, i.e. people that don’t realize what the discussion is about – please read the posts and get a clue before posting yourself.

J@cuzzi wrote:
I don’t think you get my point. I’m a 100% with you if you say that inviting a playboy bunnie to a LAN party is sexistic, but I just don’t think KC was invited because of that. Like I said, KC was with CPL long before she did this boob job and became a Playboy bunnie.

It’s great if she isn’t, but I still think this has at least a big part in her being invited. And her being a playboy bunny is how she seems to be promoted and recieved. The fact that there is a link to playboy in the news item above is enough for having this discussion. In other words I’m not attacking her in person for posing in playboy (that is an other discussion) or even CPL for inviting her, I’m asking why there has to be a link to playboy here at clanbase if she is invited as a level designer and/or CPL-staff?

What disturbs me is that Carmack wouldn’t need a link to playboy. It’s great with a woman in the gaming community, it’s a shame she needs to be a playboy bunny as well to be noticed. I really hope she was not invited for her looks. But at least to me it seems like this surely is in focus. I would not discuss her as a playboy bunny if this was not how she was promoted, for example here above. If there was a news item about this woman attending the LAN and a link to some info on her relevant work as a level designer and a discussion about Daikatana or whatever and NO link to playboy or NO sexistic comments, I would be overjoyed. So for the last time, this is not abuot Killcreek as such, it’s about the image of having a playboy bunny as an attraction for a LAN, I’m asking why the focus is on her being a nude model, and not a level designer and CPL-staff? Wouldn’t it be better for all, including her, if she could be respected as such, not as it is now, when all that seems to be bad excuses for having over a playboy bunny? I hope you are right about the reasons for her being invited, but as it is, the discussion would still be relevant.
AzzIMi (194.134.213.242) 24 Mar 13:53
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suckers :P
stupid unneccesary big discussion about 1 woman, hmm what would happen if they would do it about every woman ;P
hyronimus (213.6.60.117) 24 Mar 12:57
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SairasImu wrote:
I don’t give a rats ass if she is paid or not, and it’s totally up to her if she does a ‘boob-job’. Individuality is great, but unequality sucks. Having a playboy bunny as an attraction for CPL has nothing to do with if she’s paid or if it was her own free choice to make implants, it’s not an attack on her as a person. It’s about the signals it sends to have a LAN promoted with someone that no matter what you say is a playboy bunny, and she is promoted AS such, with clanbase having a news item with a link to playboy. This is sexistic and a typical example of objecitification of women which at least I don’t want any part of, thus my critisism. That it on top of this makes gamers look silly is the absolute least of my problems.

Welcome in reality SairasImu! You have to understand that also gaming events have a lot to do with show. Even if Killcreek would be payed for attending, although she had no clue about q3a – I wouldn’t care. Even if a naked california dream boy would be payed for attending – I wouldn’t care. I don’t understand why women always get pissed off, when other woman use their sexappeal. You have to get over it. That’s their decission!

cheers,
hyronimus
(sorry for my english)
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 24 Mar 12:10
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SairasImu wrote:
I don’t give a rats ass if she is paid or not, and it’s totally up to her if she does a ‘boob-job’. Individuality is great, but unequality sucks. Having a playboy bunny as an attraction for CPL has nothing to do with if she’s paid or if it was her own free choice to make implants, it’s not an attack on her as a person. It’s about the signals it sends to have a LAN promoted with someone that no matter what you say is a playboy bunny, and she is promoted AS such, with clanbase having a news item with a link to playboy. This is sexistic and a typical example of objecitification of women which at least I don’t want any part of, thus my critisism. That it on top of this makes gamers look silly is the absolute least of my problems.

I don’t think you get my point. I’m a 100% with you if you say that inviting a playboy bunnie to a LAN party is sexistic, but I just don’t think KC was invited because of that. Like I said, KC was with CPL long before she did this boob job and became a Playboy bunnie. What disturbs me most is that there wouldn’t be a discussion like this if, say, John Carmack would go to CPL Holland. Just for the way KC looks these days, people like you ASSUME that this is the reason for her coming to the CPL. All I do is disagree with that assumption, because she already was there to promote the CPL years ago, when she was this pure and plain little girl. You judge her by the way she looks and by some decisions she made out of her own free will that didn’t harm anyone. I think that’s wrong, even discriminating.
Maybe I’m too naieve. So once again, if she WAS invited for her looks, I totally agree with you that this would not be good for the gaming community. In this case, I just think you’re too cynical.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 11:22
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I don’t give a rats ass if she is paid or not, and it’s totally up to her if she does a ‘boob-job’. Individuality is great, but unequality sucks. Having a playboy bunny as an attraction for CPL has nothing to do with if she’s paid or if it was her own free choice to make implants, it’s not an attack on her as a person. It’s about the signals it sends to have a LAN promoted with someone that no matter what you say is a playboy bunny, and she is promoted AS such, with clanbase having a news item with a link to playboy. This is sexistic and a typical example of objecitification of women which at least I don’t want any part of, thus my critisism. That it on top of this makes gamers look silly is the absolute least of my problems.

Is this so fucking hard to understand? Yes there is a big part of ‘feminsim’ in this discussion, and if you get afraid of that word, then it’s your problem, and if you just don’t know what this word means (which I’ve seen plenty of examples of so far) please try to find out before you talk about it.
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 24 Mar 10:35
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Dante wrote:
Face it: It’s her boobies that got her invited and that’s just plain sexist, sheds a bad light on the gaming scene and yes, has the potential to scare “regular” female gamers away.

There’s my point. When she first attended the CPL she didn’t have those ‘boobies’ but was invited anyway. I’m just glad they didn’t stop inviting her after she changed her looks. Cause THAT would’ve shed a bad light on the gaming scene.
Griff (212.110.112.41) 24 Mar 06:07
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Am I talking Chinese?
Well even if Stevie would be payed to come over this discussion would be ridiculous but……

SHE ISNT PAYD

Godsmurf U got it?

Everyone talking different is a LIAR…

Aint I that trustworthy?
Ive been around since nearly the start of all that gaming why shall I lie on THIS topic….

Shaking his head Griff aka Ralf
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 02:28
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sanchez wrote:
What is your actual point in this story? That you think the world needs to change and ban girls with big boobs from the world?

Yes that’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say all along, kill those big breasted fiends! It was truly never about what big boobs had to do with gaming, it was all about me wanting to exterminate big boobs from this planet! From now on I will walk hand-in-hand with you, so we can share our obsession for big boobs! Darned shame I didn’t find the words for it as nicely as you did. Congratulations! At last you have it figured out. I’m really proud of you for finally understanding this! Thanks for the stimulating and mature discussion, it has been a blast! And I thought you didn’t get the point of this discussion, tssss silly me! Arrgh the size of boobs, doesn’t it just make you go crazy!!?

I’m off dreaming of an intelligible world now if you don’t mind, one with plenty of big boobs but with not quite as plenty of sanchezes, g’night.
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 01:33
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SairasImu wrote:
There is a connection between individual choices and norms in the society. Opression of minorities (women, homosexuals, ethnical minorities etc) exists, and are examples of what I mean with unequality. Do you REALLY think this is “cool”?

So you’re saying this has something todo with big boobs?

What is your actual point in this story? That you think the world needs to change and ban girls with big boobs from the world?
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 01:03
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mecca wrote:
SairasImu wrote:
Opression of minorities (women, homosexuals, ethnical minorities etc) exists

Since when are women a minority in the society?

Ok, a discriminated group in many cases of society. I stand corrected. What I meant was that they are treated unequal, just like many minorities, hopefully that came through nevertheless.
mecca (212.75.96.82) 24 Mar 01:00
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SairasImu wrote:
Opression of minorities (women, homosexuals, ethnical minorities etc) exists

Since when are women a minority in the society?

GG
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 24 Mar 00:38
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sanchez wrote:
SairasImu wrote:
Individual/society – there is a connection; try to find it.
Feminism, gender roles, objectification of women, sexism – it does all exist; try to find out what these ideas include and why they exist.

[—]

Be clear then. The world is cool cause nothing is equal. All that objectification is bs. If people want to do things with their body let them. Judging them on that is so wrong. Same as judging people who dont let their boobs fixed. You pick a side. Again, same as with smurf, you’re expressing *your* opinion here. Not something the scene should really obey to. Who say’s you’re right?

Objectification is NOT “bs”, it’s a fact. There is a connection between individual choices and norms in the society. Opression of minorities (women, homosexuals, ethnical minorities etc) exists, and are examples of what I mean with unequality. Do you REALLY think this is “cool”? I really hope you don’t mean this, but if you do, then we’re down at “opinions” and we can only agree to disagree. I’m however expressing an opinion and also (this is were you won’t follow) I’m TRYING to discuss it in a general context.

Also I mean your “opinion” about objectfication being bullshit is bullshit, and if you think it’s “cool” not being equal, you have to agree on discrimination as a whole. I for one will not support this.

sanchez wrote:
What self respecting woman loves to hang around nerdy teenagers that have a 100% focus on the game they’re playing at the lan?

Why could they not be self respecting and do this?

Cause you’re all saying the gamers are a bunch of nerdy bla bla bla teenagers and when they see some big boobs they drule etc etc. You fancy going to lan with that thought?

A) I do not say that. B) Is this really a reason for women not being self respecting and going to a lan with
nerdy teenagers that have a 100% focus on the game they’re playing
?

Once again: I have never said it’s better or worse in this or that group in society, I’m saying this is one of many examples of a (in my opinion) flaw in the society as a whole. That it exists elsewhere does not mean I think it is more ok here.
sanchez (Clan E) 24 Mar 00:21
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SairasImu wrote:
Individual/society – there is a connection; try to find it.
Feminism, gender roles, objectification of women, sexism – it does all exist; try to find out what these ideas include and why they exist.
Then go back and look at the posts here and find the connection between them and the conceptions mentioned above.

Maybe then it’s possible to actually have a discussion here (for me that is, if you wanna discuss wet t-shirts or girls choices of breast size totally detached from any wider or social context what so ever, please go ahead – here I’m getting close to just give in to the deterministic worldview of Orion.).

As it is now some people seems to – deliberate or not – think this is about something totally different from what atleast I am trying to discuss.

Last note:

sanchez wrote:
What self respecting woman loves to hang around nerdy teenagers that have a 100% focus on the game they’re playing at the lan?

Why could they not be self respecting and do this?

Cause you’re all saying the gamers are a bunch of nerdy bla bla bla teenagers and when they see some big boobs they drule etc etc. You fancy going to lan with that thought?

This is something based on your reasons, the way you described the gaming scene. I don’t think its all that bad and or that much different from other scene’s or society groups.
tijn (Aim Like Shit) 24 Mar 00:09
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Dante,
Killcreek has been a famous gamer ever since she beat John Romero, and she has been a CPL official (master of cerimonies) ever since (or shortly after that anyway). Now you can call me naive, but i’d like to think that played a BIG part in her invitation, and i’d also think that i’ve she didn’t have her boobs fixed she’d be invited too.

By the token of your reasoning, thresh couldn’t be invited either, cus hey, who needs them old retired heroes who revolutionized the game.
mecca (212.75.96.82) 24 Mar 00:07
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I think Godsmurf should at last get laid for the first time.

Maybe he would loosen up a bit.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 23 Mar 23:59
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Individual/society – there is a connection; try to find it.
Feminism, gender roles, objectification of women, sexism – it does all exist; try to find out what these ideas include and why they exist.
Then go back and look at the posts here and find the connection between them and the conceptions mentioned above.

As it is now some people seems to – deliberate or not – think this is about something totally different from what atleast I am trying to discuss.

Last note:

sanchez wrote:
What self respecting woman loves to hang around nerdy teenagers that have a 100% focus on the game they’re playing at the lan?

Why could they not be self respecting and do this?
RebeL (]SoloQuaker’s Alliance[) 23 Mar 23:19
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what a bunch of crap :)

friend of mine from England just saw it…icq’d me:

You have received a message!
lol… cool :)… tell them to take it ease… I mean she’s only a woman LOL

the cool part is about KillCreek coming over…

the remainder speaks for itselves i reckon :)
sanchez (Clan E) 23 Mar 23:13
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Godsmurf wrote:
sanchez wrote:
Dante wrote:
has the potential to scare “regular” female gamers away.

Like never. Atleast not with girls who have some respect for themselfs that is. If you mean the type that get scared to hell if they see a girl with bigger boobs then they have; well I guess that are the female nerds then?

I don’t think it’s fair for a guy to tell a girl how to feel in such a situation. Be fair and turn the situation around and tell us how you would feel. Imagine there were a guy who is famous for having his penis enlarged and who wears tight pants to show it off. This guy is hired to draw some extra attention to a gaming event; there’s a crowd of nerdy girls standing around him to get a glimpse of his big penis in real or to be photographed with him. Would you feel like you belong there? Personally I would not be ‘scared’ or feel insecure, but I would find it a pathetic situation that I’m not comfortable with as a guy (just like I wouldn’t feel comfortable at a Chippendales show or a similar girl thing) and that I just don’t want to be part of, and it could be enough reason to stay away from that event.

Thats personal taste and life style. Nothing todo with being equal. Announcing your personal taste as being something other people HAVE to understand is a bit strange. Just say *you* dont like it. Nothing about the “gaming scene image” cause you’re not the whole scene.

And the question you asked, well.. I wouldn’t mind at all. If the “nerdy” girls want to do that let em. First, I would probably not be interested in that type of girls, no matter if they go for that or not. And second, if they would be girls I would normally be interested I wouldnt mind them having some fun with whatever they wanne do. It’s not like my whole world collapses or summin.
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 23:00
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sanchez wrote:
Dante wrote:
has the potential to scare “regular” female gamers away.

Who’s saying this?

If Sujoy were a mediocre player with nothing special about him except the colour of his skin, I would have a problem with him being invited “just to have some dark skinned people around”, which is obviously not the case.

Again, who’s saying she’s only invited cause she got boobs?

About the “regular girls get scared away stuff”. What self respecting woman loves to hang around nerdy drooling teenagers that think it’s a major thing to get a glimpse at some silicon boobs? Imho you mess up “self-respecting” and “accepting everyday discrimination and objectization”, or to you it’s just the same thing, which imho it is not.

What self respecting woman loves to hang around nerdy teenagers that have a 100% focus on the game they’re playing at the lan?

Other then that fact, you’re saying all those people at such lans are nerdy teenagers who drule when they see girl with bigger then normal boobs? Stereotyping?! Jeez. You’re actually saying the whole gaming scene IS a nerdy scene.. gl on trying to convince the rest of the world it isn’t then if you’re saying it actually IS.

I agree with you that this thing is blown way out of proportion. Nevertheless has Godsmurf a valid point here.

It isn’t, the whole point is invalid.
Dante (212.22.34.71) 23 Mar 22:34
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sanchez wrote:
And for the part on WHY she got invited; so cause she’s been in playboy once and everything else she can’t be choosen anymore? Even if she wanted? For some she’s the most known female quaker.. its like saying Sujoy can’t be invited by the CPL cause he’s not white. And that may scare white people away. FS!! Grow up plz. This is sick. Seriously.

Well you might want to explain that thought a little bit more in detail, because at it is, it defies every possible concept of what we call “logic”. Looks like you haven’t even read my comment. One last time: I don’t say she can’t be invited because she was in Playboy. That’s here own private business. I say she shouldn’t be invited for the sole reason that she has big boobs and has been in Playboy. If Sujoy were a mediocre player with nothing special about him except the colour of his skin, I would have a problem with him being invited “just to have some dark skinned people around”, which is obviously not the case.

I agree with you that this thing is blown way out of proportion. Nevertheless has Godsmurf a valid point here.
sanchez (Clan E) 23 Mar 22:01
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Dante wrote:
has the potential to scare “regular” female gamers away.

What was this about? Making the image less nerdy? Like duh, if you’re right that girls wont come cause killcreek is comin then I guess she fullfilled your wishes of making the gaming image less nerdy. As in less nerdy girls coming to events like this.

This is all such bs. Ever been to a trance party? Innercity in holland anyone? Damn, I really had to get glasses to find girls there, with strippers which probably had boob fixes aswell…. like NOT. Plenty girls.

And for the part on WHY she got invited; so cause she’s been in playboy once and everything else she can’t be choosen anymore? Even if she wanted? For some she’s the most known female quaker.. its like saying Sujoy can’t be invited by the CPL cause he’s not white. And that may scare white people away. FS!! Grow up plz. This is sick. Seriously.
Dante (212.22.34.71) 23 Mar 21:31
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J@cuzzi wrote:
SairasImu wrote:
And if equality is gray and dull, then yes I guess that is what I want… nuff said?
Nuff said, I totally agree. Only this…doesn’t equality include the right for every woman to make her own decisions about how they want to dress, act and what they want do with their bodies, without having to worry about being considered a bimbo by the other sex?

Is this really SO hard to understand? People here don’t complain about her having her breasts inflated or about her coming to the event. She certainly is free to do those things as she pleases. People complain about her being INVITED to this event. Even if she is not paid, she still gets all her travel expenses paid and why? Because she is such a good gamer? There are far better (female) ones (not me though). Because she is so involved in the CPL? So are a lot of other people nobody would even consider inviting. Face it: It’s her boobies that got her invited and that’s just plain sexist, sheds a bad light on the gaming scene and yes, has the potential to scare “regular” female gamers away.

GG smurf for bringing that up.
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 21:16
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Rage wrote:
we get a thread of 190 comments or something…ridiculous.

You added 1 comment, why wouldn’t 189 other people be allowed to do so?

COZ A GIRL COMES OVERHERE TO PLAY?

And just like about half of those 189 others, you don’t have a clue what the discussion is about.
gg and call again
Rage (213.10.218.151) 23 Mar 20:46
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OMG

Why cares if she got paid?
Who cares about nerds?
Who cares about people who get laid?
WHERE THE HELL IS THIS THREAD ABOUT?

Coz godsmurt wants to protect the “nerds” or something? She Shouldn’t come coz? Coz he’s afraid of the more nerdy boy thing? good god. WHat a worries……..and what happens……we get a thread of 190 comments or something…ridiculous.

COZ A GIRL COMES OVERHERE TO PLAY?

She has been at every damn CPL LAN………sigh

Incredible how much some people whine about such a litthe thingies………my god!
sanchez (Clan E) 23 Mar 20:21
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J@cuzzi wrote:
SairasImu wrote:
And if equality is gray and dull, then yes I guess that is what I want… nuff said?
Nuff said, I totally agree. Only this…doesn’t equality include the right for every woman to make her own decisions about how they want to dress, act and what they want do with their bodies, without having to worry about being considered a bimbo by the other sex?

Nope, it isn’t equal. And not gray. And not dull. If ya’re not equal ya stand out which can’t be cause that would mean other people might not feel comfortable with that. Wouldn’t be a world by humans, would be a world by robots.

If thats what ya want let them “nerds” do their job and *they* will eventually make your perfect world you always dreamed from.
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 23 Mar 19:56
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SairasImu wrote:
And if equality is gray and dull, then yes I guess that is what I want… nuff said?

Nuff said, I totally agree. Only this…doesn’t equality include the right for every woman to make her own decisions about how they want to dress, act and what they want do with their bodies, without having to worry about being considered a bimbo by the other sex?
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 19:45
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SairasImu wrote:
Yes I realize the world won’t change because of a post at clanbase, that would be a little too easy, but surely things will change even slower if we do nothing, and I just cant help myself in cases like this… sorry for that.

There’s no need to be sorry because having emotions is a big plus :)
But you shouldn’t be too pessimistic either, life’s too short for that :)
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 23 Mar 19:28
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Yes I realize the world won’t change because of a post at clanbase, that would be a little too easy, but surely things will change even slower if we do nothing, and I just cant help myself in cases like this… sorry for that.

And if equality is gray and dull, then yes I guess that is what I want… nuff said? – But finally it actually seems like we are communicating here, and atleast that is a good thing so I dare to put out a smiley here: ;)
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 19:22
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SairasImu wrote:
No I want an equal world;

Noble thought.. Alas this will never happen in this world as we know it and you know it too. It has been there from the start of mankind, so I’m pretty save saying this.

Perhaps I’m too old or I’m just too tired to even try fight against inequalities, or too damn realistic.

At least, don’t think your opinion isn’t appreciated, because it is – it’s refreshing even :)

and btw NO: a girl doesn’t haveto have implants to be accepted since I know and like a lot of female gamers, which don’t (thank God for that – and I’m agnostic – go figure) :)
sanchez (Clan E) 23 Mar 19:19
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SairasImu wrote:
sanchez wrote:
Jezus fuckin ai! Nice typecasting there. What scene is, according to you, perfect, name one?

I did not say anything about other scenes now did I? Of course this problem isn’t limited to this particular scene, never said that, never would. This does not in any case say that it’s ok however, here or any other place! You cannot in any rational sense justify injustice by saying that other does the same. Or do you seriously mean that it’s ok with all this crap because you can find it elsewhere, or that I cannot critizise here if I don’t attack exactly every other place injustice occur, because I honestly don’t get your point here.

Just that there is no real point on whining all the time. It’s the world, if ya dont like it go live on mars or summin. Things like this will change like over hundreds of years, not by one post here or there.

You’re the one making this scene look bad, it isnt at all, its a normal scene, unfortunetely with a higher then normal percentage of man but thats uhm a problem of the girls not wanting to play or not being THAT interested in computers/gaming etc. Same for scenes where there are mainly girls, no need to make a big deal out of it.

Hell no! Why the fuck do you think like that? Boobs fixed or not, who the fuck cares. It’s her life. I dont hope you’re saying girls who have their boobs fixed can’t be accepted in the gaming scene. In this world fiddling around with your body means you get extra attention, thats life, just like M.Jackson. Stand out and get noticed. You’re adding all that other crap to it. Just dont and it will get alot less attention next time.

Me making the scene look bad?? Do you by this mean that “yeah, hope they have a wet t-shirt” makes it look better? I really don’t think you do. And that we should just don’t bother about for example objectification of women, beause it’s everywere? If you look at threads like the one I quoted above from outside this scene, I tell you it does not look good. It looks exactly like if gamers are a bunch of 14 year old sexually frustrated nerds, which brings me to…

You’re calling them that, I’d say its just being young. Some do it worse then others, but who cares. If you got problems with them why do you stay around such people? To record logs for prove? WTF are you doing…

If it wasn’t for people like you nobody would find the gaming scene a “nerdy” or a sexually frustating teenage scene. So much BS. Grow up and start accepting your problem with the scene might be on your side.

I don’t agree as I said above, and if I’m wrong well then thank god people like me exists then, since there indeed IS a lot of sexist shit around here!!! Yes the problem is me if I’m one of the only ones capable of actually see the problem as such… I still think much of what I (and I think Godsmurf) are trying to discuss here simply hasn’t got through.

Yes, you’re the only two who are smart in this scene. The rest are nerds. Fuck sake, people live their lives and choose whatever they feel like. If get a good feeling with gettin ya boobs fixed and posing nude etc go ahead. If other people have problems with that they should start looking more at their own lives instead of others.

You want to denie all that? You want a dull world or what?

No I want an equal world; equality and feminism is pretty much synonymous if you ask me, and STILL this part of the discussion seems to be ignored…

Equality means GRAY! Aka dull, ya said it yaself, ’nuff said. Be boring.
MoTo (195.207.71.6) 23 Mar 19:16
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GG Godsmurf

for deleting your own sexist joke about silicon leaks at the beginning of this topic, there goes your little bit of credibility you had left
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 23 Mar 18:55
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sanchez wrote:
Jezus fuckin ai! Nice typecasting there. What scene is, according to you, perfect, name one?

A too high percentage of one or the other sex in different scenes are probably concerned with stereotyped gender roles, and that’s a pretty big deal too. Anyway the big deal is in this case in my opinion is having a playboy-bunnie posing as an attraction at a gaming event. Does a girl have to have breast implants to be accepted in the gaming community? I sure as hell hope and think not. But this I already discussed further down.
Me making the scene look bad?? Do you by this mean that “yeah, hope they have a wet t-shirt contest” makes it look better? I really don’t think you do. And that we should just don’t bother about for example objectification of women, beause it’s everywere? If you look at threads like the one I quoted above from outside this scene, I tell you it does not look good. It looks exactly like if gamers are a bunch of 14 year old sexually frustrated nerds, which brings me to…

I don’t agree as I said above, and if I’m wrong well then thank god people like me exists then, since there indeed IS a lot of sexist shit around here!!! Yes the problem is me if I’m one of the only ones capable of actually seeing the problem as such… I still think much of what I (and I think Godsmurf) are trying to discuss here simply hasn’t got through or is simply ignored.

You want to denie all that? You want a dull world or what?

No I want an equal world; equality and feminism is pretty much synonymous if you ask me, and STILL this part of the discussion seems to be ignored…
sanchez (Clan E) 23 Mar 18:28
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SairasImu wrote:
This “scene” is full of misogynic (fancy word huh?), racist and homophobic tendencies, i.e. lack of open minds (hopefully this is partly a question of age and maturity, meaning that people will ‘grow up’), and it makes me sad.

Jezus fuckin ai! Nice typecasting there. What scene is, according to you, perfect, name one? Collage kids who have their society “clubs” and oops, sometimes go to far and like in holland a couple of years ago where this scene took a life. Damn thats an open minded scene. Or the working class? Yeah, they sure are the most open minded class ever. Or the high society class? Aaah yeah, they are open minded lol..

I do not think this is a funny post, on the contrary I find it quite tragic, but perhaps I should just give it a rest, get a sense of humor and accept the flaws of this world and the unawareness of gamers in general?

Yeah! More stereotyping! We want MORE! It’s something people say who think they’re smarter then the rest and want to share that information more then anything. It makes em feel good about themselfs I guess. Sad sad.

Babes as objects, hell yeah.. as long as you dont know em personally they are objects.. just like Brad Pitt is to loads AND loads of girls. Don’t make a frikkin problem out of it, people like that give alot of other people more joy in their life. You want to denie all that? You want a dull world or what?

The gaming scene is only stereotyped as being a nerdy scene cause of people like you Sairas.
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 18:02
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Dirk wrote:
I agree, the primal instincts cannot be denied. But my bad joke from the original post was there to show you that some primal instincts have to be controlled in our society.

I agree with you on that account :)
Gma (193.11.229.200) 23 Mar 17:56
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Why does it have to be one way or the other… ? In one hand we have a nice-looking girl. And in the other hand hardcore gaming.

Put your hands together.
Dirk (190.1.45.178) 23 Mar 17:54
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Orion wrote:
Dirk wrote:
Ok, maybe that’s a pretty bad joke, but your attitude disturbs me slightly. If it’s common sense that this sexist thingy is pathetic, we should all do something about that. And not this “you can try but probably end up frustrated” shit.

Well… I’m a realist – I’m glad you’re optimistic though, but I don’t think primal instincts will ever change…

I agree, the primal instincts cannot be denied. But my bad joke from the original post was there to show you that some primal instincts have to be controlled in our society.
w00t (212.100.172.231) 23 Mar 17:46
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Jerry wrote:

It would be great if someone could translate that poll. I mean… “Wat vind je van Stevie KillCreek Case?” <– w00t?

What do you think about Stevie KillCreek Case?
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 23 Mar 17:45
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It would be great if someone could translate that poll. I mean… “Wat vind je van Stevie KillCreek Case?” <– w00t?

OK, I’ll try:
“What do you think of SC?
-She can suck my shaft
-This poll sucks. Give me a taco
-1 on 1
-Nice dish
-Who cares?
-Why didn’t the MIR crash on her
-Stevie KillCreek Case?
-She’s good for the community
-Romero’s ex…nuff said
-We need more implants.”

That’s the Dutch gaming community for you…
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 17:45
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Dirk wrote:
Ok, maybe that’s a pretty bad joke, but your attitude disturbs me slightly. If it’s common sense that this sexist thingy is pathetic, we should all do something about that. And not this “you can try but probably end up frustrated” shit.

Well… I’m a realist – I’m glad you’re optimistic though, but I don’t think primal instincts will ever change…
Jerry (212.242.170.87) 23 Mar 17:24
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“That poll on http://www.gamers.nl really shows how the scene mainly knows KC for her commitment to the CPL, her work as a game designer and her Quake skills. I was so wrong to think she only got invited coz she posed nude.”

It would be great if someone could translate that poll. I mean… “Wat vind je van Stevie KillCreek Case?” <– w00t?
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 17:24
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Shogun wrote:
I can understand however, that most of the audience here didn’t know about KillCreek until they saw those playboy-pictures. Isn’t it Godsmurf?

No it isn’t, I knew all that (I was already around in the QW days) + it was mentioned again in the announcement linked above.
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 23 Mar 17:06
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Shogun wrote:
I think the CPL is politically correct and hired her before she was in playboy, because she was one of the most famous gamers at the time.

That’s exactly my point. She was with CPL long before she did all these things to her body, and she would still be there if she hadn’t physically changed since then. That’s why I don’t think her posing in Playboy is the reason for inviting her to CPL Holland. She was a gamer then and she still is. The way she looks isn’t (or shouldn’t be) important.

Still, I do see your point Goldsmurf and I would totally agree with you if KC was invited to join the CPL AFTER her silicon treatment and her nude session. Since this isn’t the case, I don’t think you can assume that she’s being used as some bimbo to please some horny kids.
Dirk (190.1.45.178) 23 Mar 16:57
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Orion wrote:
Sure, it’s pathetic that women are used to draw attention to an event, but that ain’t only the case for a gaming-event.. it’s pathetic for every event, but mankind knows only two basic instincts :
1) the drive to reproduce
2) the drive to protect themselves

So it’s inherent to our specie (and every other btw) that sex sells, and I don’t see a way that’ll change.

I’m sure having fun (ment in a pure sexual context) if your “drive to protect yourself” is weaker then my “drive to reproduce” with your girl.

Ok, maybe that’s a pretty bad joke, but your attitude disturbs me slightly. If it’s common sense that this sexist thingy is pathetic, we should all do something about that. And not this “you can try but probably end up frustrated” shit.
Castroman (195.121.193.87) 23 Mar 16:52
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Castroman wrote:
If this site and this poll represents the scene�

By ‘this site’ I meant Gamers.nl, not CB. Just to avoid any confusion. Good discussion btw. I don’t agree with Godsmurf, but I think it’s a good thing he brought the issue up.
Shogun (Dimension X) 23 Mar 16:51
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KillCreek _IS_ a gaming-legend. I didn’t knew that she was a level designer or a model or something, I only knew her from her gaming skills. In fact the first demo I got from the internet was KillCreek vs Romero in DM2 and I was really impressed (that was a _long_ time ago :p). I think the CPL is politically correct and hired her before she was in playboy, because she was one of the most famous gamers at the time. I would even want to have a picture of me with Romero and no I’m not *ghey* :p

I can understand however, that most of the audience here didn’t know about KillCreek until they saw those playboy-pictures. Isn’t it Godsmurf ? But ok you’re right from your perspective :)
SelfBias (Mystery Clan) 23 Mar 16:42
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Godsmurf (Cicatrix ) 21 Mar 14:55 Reply
You think paying some bimbo to show up is good for pro gaming?

GodSmurf our Clanbase Super feminist.
Where’s your cape ?
Castroman (195.121.193.86) 23 Mar 16:37
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Godsmurf wrote:
That poll on http://www.gamers.nl really shows how the scene mainly knows KC for her commitment to the CPL, her work as a game designer and her Quake skills. I was so wrong to think she only got invited coz she posed nude.

If this site and this poll represents the scene, it does more for confirming the image of gamers as nerdy over sexed 14 year olds than KC coming to the CPL. Some possible answers to the poll:
– She can suck my shaft
– 1on 1? :)
– We need more implants
OMG�
smr-christo (217.80.220.37) 23 Mar 16:31
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Godsmurf : discussions are fun ?? rofl m8 ! Now I�m sure you have too much spare time :)

And btw : if i had the choice if id like to see keelcreek or you godsmurf at euro cpl i would take killkreek ;)
Dirk (190.1.45.178) 23 Mar 16:25
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Read at http://www.cpleurope.com/en/

> At the upcomming CPL Holland Event in may, we will
> all be graced with the appearance of Stevie “Killcreek”
> Case who will certainly “hot” up the event.

This is certainly not the most sensible intruduction.
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 16:17
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for2 wrote:
GG GodSmurf, u 0wned all these morons.. keep up the good work.

A moron is imho someone who can’t speak for himself and is incapable to take his own stand.
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 16:08
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Godsmurf wrote:
this just keeps getting worse; about 2/3 of the replies first put statements in my mouth I have never said and that I in fact disagree with. Can the next poster pls actually read the discussion OR just not bother to argue against something noone has said? thx

Orion: I never said that or acted like that.

Sorry if I misunderstood but then again please explain what you ment by saying : “Is there anyone here besides the dangergirl who actually _understands_ the discussion btw?”

I can see some valid points from your point of view on the matter, and yes, I made fun of the whole matter, but don’t you think you take this too far ?

Sure, it’s pathetic that women are used to draw attention to an event, but that ain’t only the case for a gaming-event.. it’s pathetic for every event, but mankind knows only two basic instincts :
1) the drive to reproduce
2) the drive to protect themselves

So it’s inherent to our specie (and every other btw) that sex sells, and I don’t see a way that’ll change.

Let’s just have fun (this time ment in a non-sexual context) and at least try to be happy and try not to take mankind and online gaming too seriously. You can always try but you’ll probably end up very frustrated.
for2 (193.229.255.17) 23 Mar 16:07
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GG GodSmurf, u 0wned all these morons.. keep up the good work.
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 16:01
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That poll on http://www.gamers.nl really shows how the scene mainly knows KC for her commitment to the CPL, her work as a game designer and her Quake skills. I was so wrong to think she only got invited coz she posed nude.
Goodieman (213.156.3.48) 23 Mar 15:56
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Well..if the Dutch people here want to give their opinion about Stevie Killkreek, the people @ <a href=http://www.gamers.nl>Gamers</a> made a nice poll.

It’s on the mainpage..left under
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 15:53
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Nv@work wrote:
omg this thread has reached Challenge-eu.com :)
Now, there’s a big thread over at Clanbase, which you can read here. Basically its a debate as to whether getting a pretty girl to attend an event improves the image of gamers… or whether it furthers the “geek/nerd” rumours about online gaming.

Yeah and they actually understand what the discussion is about. Cheers Ch-EU!
Nv@work (145.7.200.27) 23 Mar 15:50
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omg this thread has reached Challenge-eu.com :)

Now, there’s a big thread over at Clanbase, which you can read here. Basically its a debate as to whether getting a pretty girl to attend an event improves the image of gamers… or whether it furthers the “geek/nerd” rumours about online gaming. She’s undoubtedly going to give the tournament a lot more media coverage, especially after Playboy photoshoot.
Dirk (190.1.45.178) 23 Mar 15:47
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Feminism, bah – equal rights, that’s the point. You want woman to attend your event, too? And you think your event cannot go without sexual stimulation? Then don’t forget to hire some attractive guys for the female audience.

This leads me to the difference between girls and boys. Men are likely to fall more easily for some pro-babes, than girls the other way around.

Talking about KillCreek. Think what happened if some good-looking gaming-scene guy (Paul Steed comes to mind) would’ve been invited. I think the girls wouldn’t mind ;-) But the guys wouldn’t mind either. That’s the difference. After the event they’d proudly telling their friends: Hey I was there with Paul Steed, y’know – the chick-magnet.

But please, no (male or female, ugly or not) strippers at a gaming event. If you want to see them nekkid, go to the clubs.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 23 Mar 15:45
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OMFG! wrote:
Jesus, what the hell is wrong with some of you people here?

Here this thread starts out as a condemnation on Killcreek for going to the CPL Holland event, everyone is bashing away,

Well actually, this is how the thread started – last post first (if you had scrolled down you cuold have noticed your self):

Nighteye (Rampage Waaazaaaaaaaappppppps!) 21 Mar 14:05 Reply
Ivin wrote:
nice grenades… wish i could launch em =P

hehe they sure are.. OMFG! \/

Check this out )
http://www.playboy.com/digital/feature/steviecase/3.jpg
Ivin (Pulp Fiction) 21 Mar 13:54 Reply
nice grenades… wish i could launch em =P
YEAH (212.83.98.134) 21 Mar 13:49 Reply
DAMN ORION I THOUGHT I WOULD BE THE FIRST POSTER !#)#�””#�”%”#�”#�
YEAH (212.83.98.134) 21 Mar 13:46 Reply
I hope there is going to be wet t-shirt competition!! :D
Orion (Clanbase crew) 21 Mar 13:46 Reply
Ok… I’m in training from NOW on

then Killcreek posts, and suddenly all the basers change their voice and talk about “femanist” issues.

Godsmurf wrote: “On the contrary, I’m a feminist and I rather meet real women in real circumstances than artificial babes who are being paid to be friendly to me.”

That was WAY before Killcreek posted, actually it was pretty much how the actual discussion started. The issue about her getting paid or not is not all that this is or was about.

If you don’t have the balls to stick to your original accusations and conspiracy theories (that killcreek is being paid to come) then f off please.

I cant see that me nor Godsmurf has changed views, and if you can’t see past the “get paid”-thingie you could please f off as well, if that’s the level of communication we are using here.

Apart from that I think I can only agree with Godsmurfs comments…

love, he/she/it
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 15:43
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this just keeps getting worse; about 2/3 of the replies first put statements in my mouth I have never said and that I in fact disagree with. Can the next poster pls actually read the discussion OR just not bother to argue against something noone has said? thx

j@cuzzi: no I obviously didn’t mean that and if you had pasted the line before as well that would be perfectly clear.

Orion: I never said that or acted like that.

OMFG: Noone is condemning Killcreek or nude modeling or whatever. For the 100th time, that is NOT the discussion. And noone changed their statement after KC posted, scroll down the feminist issue came up long before KC posted.

smr-christo: discussions are fun. Since you seem to disagree, I wonder why you bothered to post. Too much spare time?
Xiz (213.156.3.51) 23 Mar 15:01
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http://www.gamers.nl has a nice poll ’bout her :)
smr-christo (217.80.220.37) 23 Mar 14:57
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OMG ! Godsmurf : stop talking bullshit. Do you have nothing else to do but to worry about Killcreeks visit at CPL ? Im glad that she�s coming and why not ? Perhaps she is coming cos she likes the event and quake and not cos she is paid for some services !

This dicussion is absolutely stupid.Only people who have to much spare time could start it.Think first,then write m8 !
OMFG! (32.97.110.73) 23 Mar 14:53
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Jesus, what the hell is wrong with some of you people here?

Here this thread starts out as a condemnation on Killcreek for going to the CPL Holland event, everyone is bashing away, then Killcreek posts, and suddenly all the basers change their voice and talk about “femanist” issues. If you don’t have the balls to stick to your original accusations and conspiracy theories (that killcreek is being paid to come) then f off please. I swear it sounds like some of the people here have been locked out of reality for a while and are on a holy crusade to save carmen electra and all females besides her. Maybe some of those females are happy with what they do? And who the hell are you to judge them? Pfft!
Orion (The Mercenaries) 23 Mar 14:42
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Godsmurf wrote:
Is there anyone here besides the dangergirl who actually _understands_ the discussion btw?

Yes and I also know that he/she is the only one fully agreeing with what you “preach”, so it’s pretty arrogant acting that the only correct view on this matter is yours and his/hers.

Talking about “open minds” (not your words – his/hers).
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 23 Mar 14:42
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Godsmurf wrote:
Is there anyone here besides the dangergirl who actually _understands_ the discussion btw?

You mean anyone who doesn’t agree with you doesn’t understand what the discussion is about?
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 14:28
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SelfBias wrote:
I still can’t figure out how so called feminist can say that once someone has posed in PlayBoy they can only be seen as sex-objects.

Neither can I. Who said that?

Is there anyone here besides the dangergirl who actually _understands_ the discussion btw?
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 14:26
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J@cuzzi wrote:
Godsmurf wrote:
The point of the discussion was that you were not invited for those reasons, but mainly because you posed for Playboy.
OMG, and this guy calls himself a feminist. When it’s actually one of the worst cases of women’s discrimination I’ve seen in years.

Is it? You must have spent the last few years locked up with your PC then.

What you’re really saying is that women visiting a public event, should apply to certain qualifications

Bzzzzzt – wrong. If KC or any other person subscribes like any gamer there is no discussion. Babes, models, porn actresses, house wifes and career women are all as welcome too as far as I’m concerned, in fact everyone is. You completely missed the point of the discussion, congratulations.
SelfBias (Mystery Clan) 23 Mar 14:24
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I still can’t figure out how so called feminist can say that once someone has posed in PlayBoy they can only be seen as sex-objects.

I agree there are a lot of sexists out there (my GF is a female gamer too) but to regard women as unsuitable for a lan party based on the amount of clothes to wear in magazines is bullshit.
You should take some classes in advanced feminism or something.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 23 Mar 13:35
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Excuse me but I have to make one more long and complex comment, I will try to stop beating my head against the wall after this one, ok?

Having a playboy-girl posing for a gaming event and refusing to see any problems with it is narrow – not open – minded. If her posing nude wasn’t relevant there wouldn’t be a link to playboy in the news item (as stated before). This is not an attack on Killcreek (from my side at least), it’s far more general than that. Someone said that if it was a male level designer without a record as a nude model invited it wouldn’t have been a discussion nor a problem, and that is absolutely correct, and that is exactly what this is about.

If Killcreek would have been invited as a level designer and had not posed nude in playboy, and there was no link to playboy above, there would not have been a problem. Her physical attributes or gender as such is not the point here (or rather should not be the point). The fact that it is hard to imagine a male level designer that had posed nude and was used to attract visitors reffering to his physical attributes on the other hand IS the point here.

This “scene” is full of misogynic (fancy word huh?), racist and homophobic tendencies, i.e. lack of open minds (hopefully this is partly a question of age and maturity, meaning that people will ‘grow up’), and it makes me sad. Therefore Godsmurf is a hero in my eyes for even finding the power to say something about this at all, knowing the beating he will take just for speaking his mind.

It is not open minded to refuse to see the problem here. It is on the other hand arrogant to say “oh, go get laid” or “relax”. If you invite a playboy model as a poster for an event, then you do have some questions to answer, as I see it. I do not think this is a funny post, on the contrary I find it quite tragic, but perhaps I should just give it a rest, get a sense of humor and accept the flaws of this world and the unawareness of gamers in general?

And this thread, the CPL-policy with playboy bunnies (level designers or not) is all just helping stating the stereotype of gamers as sexually frustraded teenage boys labelled as ‘nerds’ and of women as objects (no matter what your intentions are or your sex or age is). Not wanting to realize this or not care to bother is arrogant and narrow minded.

Godsmurf, your still my hero, and many others here still needs to check up what “feminism” really means…

/sairas, just can’t stay away :/
Orion (Clanbase crew) 23 Mar 13:25
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This all goes way beyond gaming… It’s humerous imho, but all things must come to an end :)

Why can’t you just forget this bullshit and just play games.. because that’s what it’s all about : GAMING.. FUN… like it’s ment to be :)

Personally I couldn’t care less who (male OR female) attends a lan or a compo, as long as I amuse myself talking to people (not caring about what gender or background they have).
That being the main reason why I don’t attend lans anymore (ok and because of my very little spare time) – gaming in general is being taken too seriously.. don’t forget the bottom line : FUN !!

Sidenote : that’s why I probably enjoy female attenders even more than male attendees on a lan – they know how to put things in perspective better in general. Ow yeah.. and they have boobs :) j/k :)
J@cuzzi (212.187.68.131) 23 Mar 13:20
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Godsmurf wrote:
The point of the discussion was that you were not invited for those reasons, but mainly because you posed for Playboy.

OMG, and this guy calls himself a feminist. When it’s actually one of the worst cases of women’s discrimination I’ve seen in years. What you’re really saying is that women visiting a public event, should apply to certain qualifications that have nothing to do with the reason they’re invited. KC is an ambassador for professional gaming for 4 years now, never misses a CPL event and, most of all, she’s a gamer just like the rest of us. What do I care if she had a boob job, get a few tattoos or whatever she has done with her body lately. It’s HER body, it’s her own choice. It’s a sad thing that a woman has to be ugly or at least shouldn’t be proud of her body (artificial or not) before she is considered talented, without male chauvinist pigs thinking she got the job just for the way that she looks. Women’s lib is still a long way to, apparantly…:(
spe3d (110.1.1.157) 23 Mar 13:15
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The whole gamers community wants to be accepted by the press and the rest of the world, but within you want to disagree the participation of her, because you call her a “babe” ?
Isnt that the same ignorance opinion we`ve been judged for as “potential” murders ??
Sorry, but when she got skill, for me she is allowed to play there, like any other CPL Ruler. :P
Amsterdam Wob (Clanbase crew) 23 Mar 13:05
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blah wrote:
Tend to scare women away?
Oh please, maybe we can get rid of the boring chicks from the tournaments then.
Maybe we should make a new rule, “no handsome gamers are welcome” cause it can tend to scare the ugly gamers away.
More chicks, more boobs, more action.

Gimme a break. Babe exploitation doesn’t scare girls away because the babes look better. It scares them away because it underlines ‘men-only’. Pretty half-dressed girls that are only meant to arouse male visitors (which is not the case at CPL holland) are an insult to women. They are ok for carshows, but they are rather unfortunate in gaming events.
SelfBias (Mystery Clan) 23 Mar 12:48
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Godsmurf wrote:

More generally the point is that inviting celebrities or babes to gaming events appeals to the stupidity of gamers, detracts from the gaming aspect and is simply pathetic. A better example was Carmen Electra who got paid to show up on a Battletop event and to pose on pictures with any guy that asked. But that’s long ago so I took this occasion to start a discussion on something that bothers me.

A lot of people have been invited to come to the CPL, and all of them (including KC) where invited because of their involvement with gaming, KC seems to be the only one who can attend, it’s not that she’s been eclusively invited because of her looks.

Wether you believe it or not is not really my problem since you seem to have problems changing an opinion on a subject (which in this case is purely based on assumption instead of fact (did you even ever took the time to talk to one of the organizers ?)) but I think assuming you know what people think is downright arrogant .
Open minds will dominate.
blah (212.209.187.14) 23 Mar 12:47
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Tend to scare women away?

Oh please, maybe we can get rid of the boring chicks from the tournaments then.

Maybe we should make a new rule, “no handsome gamers are welcome” cause it can tend to scare the ugly gamers away.

More chicks, more boobs, more action.
Amsterdam Wob (Clanbase crew) 23 Mar 11:56
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Now this was a FUN thread!! Hehe.
Here’s a summary for people who don’t take time to read it:
Everybody thinks it’s great Stevie is coming, and some (including me) have general doubts about organisations exploiting the babe-factor too much, because it tends to scare woman away from the community.
That general exploitation made some guys sceptical about the motives of the CPL regarding Stevie, but it seems things are politically correct.
SAW (Lamers At Work) 23 Mar 11:53
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waaha check quake.xsreality.com:

There’s a massive thread starting up on ClanBase about Killcreek going to the CPL Holland event next month, and how this reflects on us as gamers.

Stevie Case aka ‘KillCreek’ who became famous by beating John Romero in a QW match and even more famous by appearing in Playboy magazine will attend the upcoming CPL Holland event.
You can read the rest of the post, plus comments here. I’m not going to give my opinion on this matter, as I suspect that there’ll be people who will flame me either way. It’s quite an interesting discussion though, mostly with Godsmurf (a clanbase admin) arguing one side, and various CPL Europe officials arguing the other. There’s even a post from Killcreek on the matter.
.Mc.Nightvision (Mystery Clan) 23 Mar 10:18
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Without our belgium friend this thread wasn’t as much fun 2read, GG godsmurf. GimME MORE

lol
0bsolete (150.135.186.249) 23 Mar 08:54
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too many people powertrippin on the net, as always one big slander machine.

on a side note, why support feminism when u can support equality, and I ain’t talkin bout the kind of equality that gives less to women.

go fecsx if she goes
nrTeether (10.5.2.113) 23 Mar 08:46
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From my point of view, the discussion here is only because KC posed for PlayBoy. I don’t know if it was the main reason to invite her, but even if shes not in playboy, I would like to see her simply because she’s well known person – a female gamer. I understand that it’s hard to swallow for a lot of players – I personally dislike “objectification of women” too, but I think I can go through it and enjoy KC like a CPL staff member, quake player and… as a cute girl of course! (unluckily I don’t go this time :( ).
Khufu (212.247.164.253) 23 Mar 08:42
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I 100% agree with Godsmurf.
I don’t mind if she comes, but offering people to pose with her and all that stuff just makes the event look pathetic.
How would you feel if you were a girl attending this event
(or worse Babbages CPL with the strippers) ?
Stez (203.45.180.49) 23 Mar 05:25
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the more pornstars the better i say
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 04:17
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KillCreek wrote:
Haha .. actually, I am very much looking forward to attending the CPL event in Europe this May. I get the sense that many of you folks haven’t been around the competitive gaming scene for too many years, so let me give you a quick refresher on my involvement with the CPL over time.

Hi Killcreek,

Most people know all that I think, and I don’t think anyone wants to detract from your work for the CPL, nor from your work as a game designer (whatever was wrong with Daikatana can’t be blamed on 1 level designer).

The point of the discussion was that you were not invited for those reasons, but mainly because you posed for Playboy. Or can you imagine that the announcement linked in the news item would not show a sexy picture of you but of, say, Mike Wardwell (who also has a lot of merit in game design and for the CPL), adding that he will be introduced ‘with a lot of spectacle’ and that he will pose on pictures with us? I think not.

The point was NOT that there would be anything wrong with posing nude or with you personally or with females attending gaming events or whatever – those who try to make it look that way either want to sabotage the discussion, or are just too stupid to understand it.

Cheers and see you in Holland
Vrokolos (Marine Core) 23 Mar 03:46
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x�Insane_J wrote:
were are all the UT girls anyways?

Doing some p0rn I imagine…

It’s funny that 2 of the most known gamers in the world are doing nudity thingies.. (and in the case of the UT one.. something extra)

I wonder.. is fatality on playgirl?

btw KillCreek how the hell did you find clanbase page.. I thought u US ppl didn’t know CB exists..
Gma (193.11.229.200) 23 Mar 03:45
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Seriously… grab a beer and put another shrimp on the BBQ. This is getting out of hand. I don’t see why people get so upset…

If you want to go to the CPL Holland – why wouldn’t Stevie want to go? Because she’s above that or what? Maybe Stevie got tired of her boyfriend and wanted to have some fun? paid or not… put it this way: If you would get the chance to go to the CPL Holland event – and get paid… wouldn’t you? Why wouldn’t Stevie then? The issue of she being paid or not is rather irrelevant. So is this whole discussion.

The picure of gamers being 14 year old miniature Bill Gates’s with pale skin and greasy hair. If it’s true do you really care… and if so why? If you worry about what people are thinking of you just because you’re a gamer I would say you have more important things to think about than wether Stevie Case is attending the CPL Holland event or not.

/gma
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 23 Mar 03:30
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MoTo wrote:
So whe should protest against KC coming, So that the people DON’T think nerds are afraid of girls
LOL, some strange logic :p

Strange logic indeed, but you said it, not me.

The pictures in the thread you link are models and actresses. What’s the relevance to this discussion? Did anyone here say they hate models or something? Must have missed that.

And would you be so kind not to pull my statements out of context? ‘Pathetic adolescents’ was about guys who don’t have any social contact with females, not about anything to do with pictures. Scroll down and check.
QuiXilver (The �estroyers Company) 23 Mar 02:33
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Orion wrote:
x�Insane_J wrote:
were are all the UT girls anyways?

UT don’t need no females.. it’s played by girls :)

hehehe :)

and Q3 is for the ppl who think they’re great :)
MoTo (212.190.1.237) 23 Mar 01:16
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Now I admit the gaming scene has a disproportianately large number of such pathetic adolescents

Yes your right, I mean look at this
http://www.cicatrix.be/cx/main.php3?pg=forum_thr&fid=1&tid=43&page=1
I mean what a bunch of ‘pathetic adolescents’ next thing you know they are making jokes about ‘silicon leaks’

My point is that gamers should show some pride and protest against being typecasted as nerds who are afraid of girls.

And who is doing this ‘typecasting’ here, you maybe?

So whe should protest against KC coming, So that the people DON’T think nerds are afraid of girls
LOL, some strange logic
sk (62.31.242.197) 22 Mar 22:49
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kudos to kilcreek,

top stuff coming up with a humorous post after all the shit was flying her way.

not many can do that.

sk
RebeL (]SoloQuaker’s Alliance[) 22 Mar 21:39
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KillCreek wrote:
…

…

And an angel Munoz was for bringing in all the goodies :)

1997…thats a long time ago. (didnt know that)

Rebs
Orion (The Mercenaries) 22 Mar 21:18
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x�Insane_J wrote:
were are all the UT girls anyways?

UT don’t need no females.. it’s played by girls :)

hehehe :)
Orion (Clanbase crew) 22 Mar 21:17
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KillCreek wrote:
Yes, I am a female. Yes, I have breasts (oh the horror!).

Ah.. this is what I was waiting for.. I’ve never believed those dudes which claimed you had breasts (heej.. those pics could be airbrushed right?), but now that you confirmed it yourself, we must definately come together. :)

j/k :)
x�Insane_J (The X-Factor Project) 22 Mar 21:15
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were are all the UT girls anyways?
IceCube (House of Pain) 22 Mar 20:00
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Yes, I am a female. Yes, I have breasts (oh the horror!).

roooooooooofl gimme more
KillCreek (148.75.154.230) 22 Mar 19:40
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Haha .. actually, I am very much looking forward to attending the CPL event in Europe this May. I get the sense that many of you folks haven’t been around the competitive gaming scene for too many years, so let me give you a quick refresher on my involvement with the CPL over time.

In July of 1997, Angel Munoz first contacted me about this crazy idea he had — that gamers could actually make money being fulltime Cyberathletes. In fact, Angel asked me to sign on as the first ever Cyberathlete at our initial meeting, and I happily agreed. In those early days I put a lot of time and effort into helping Angel contact some of the best players in the U.S., form the first Cyberathlete team, and promote the idea of the Cyberathlete. I stayed on as a Cyberathlete for many months, and eventually temporarily parted ways with the league in order to focus on level design. During that time I remained a strong beliver in the league and the concept, which lead to my joining the CPL Advisory Board — a capacity in which I still serve today. Just recently I again officially joined the staff as the official Master of Ceremonies. So yes, I am a big believer in and supporter of the CPL, and I have been literally from day one.

In fact, I have attended every single U.S. event that the CPL has ever organized, beginning with the original FRAG. Very few people can claim the same.

Yes, I am a female. Yes, I have breasts (oh the horror!). Yes, I worked at Ion Storm. But guess what? I am a gamer, and I love the CPL and all that it stands for.

Seems rather simple to me. I can’t wait to see you all at the event. It’s sure to be a blast! In the mean time, calm down and stop taking life so seriously!

Sincerely,
stevie
Orion (The Mercenaries) 22 Mar 18:00
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RebeL wrote:
Orion wrote:
Ok… I’m in training from NOW on :)

ROFL :))))))))))

(hmm got the understanding you didnt need that much training ….hmm or did you mean quake(2) ? <g> :))

As well-know woman-worshipper I ofcoz ment it in the best possible way – training my Quake(2) skills :)
Orion (The Mercenaries) 22 Mar 17:57
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[kala]kukko wrote:
mun mielest� on aika turhaa laittaa tommosta t�rky� nettiin…
naisillakin on oikeuksia! jos laitatte niin laittakaa edes miehi�…!
min� en pid� alastomien naisten katselemisesta ja �itikin sanoi minulle jo kauan sitten ett� alastomia naisia ei saa katsella, se on synti�! uskokaa jeesukseen niin pelastutte…

herran rauhaa kaikille…

Nah.. I only play ukelele on special occassions
RebeL (]SoloQuaker’s Alliance[) 22 Mar 17:39
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Godsmurf wrote:
`(amAUchi wrote:
well.. it is a scener , so it’s relevant..
you’ve got some sexual-discrimination problem ;)

On the contrary, I’m a feminist and I rather meet real women in real circumstances than artificial babes who are being paid to be friendly to me.

aaaah you’re in that stage of your life now …been there..seen it! :))))) (except the feminist part perhaps :))
RebeL (]SoloQuaker’s Alliance[) 22 Mar 17:32
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Orion wrote:
Ok… I’m in training from NOW on :)

ROFL :))))))))))

(hmm got the understanding you didnt need that much training ….hmm or did you mean quake(2) ? <g> :))
[kala]kukko (194.197.68.48) 22 Mar 17:03
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mun mielest� on aika turhaa laittaa tommosta t�rky� nettiin…
naisillakin on oikeuksia! jos laitatte niin laittakaa edes miehi�…!
min� en pid� alastomien naisten katselemisesta ja �itikin sanoi minulle jo kauan sitten ett� alastomia naisia ei saa katsella, se on synti�! uskokaa jeesukseen niin pelastutte…

herran rauhaa kaikille…
SelfBias (Mystery Clan) 22 Mar 16:35
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I just don’t get why people have so much difficulty with a woman coming to the CPL.
She isn’t there as an sex-object, she has a name in the gaming community and it adds some flavour to the event (too bad CliffyB isn’t gonna be there, I would have nicked his gold chains ;-)

And I also fail to see why so called “feminists” are talking thrash about people for inviting a girl over ro a lan party out of her own free will, I though feminist where pro women making their own choises, she chose, so live with it ;p

Or maybe people are afraid of meeting girls on the only occasion they get out of the house ;p
Beeing biased rulez 8)
3bird (DediCated Killers) 22 Mar 12:25
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Quint wrote:
Stop referring to ‘we’ the whole time, you’ve made your point by now.

We is meant to be as being the organisation. I belong to the CPL Holland organisation if you didn’t know yet.

You’re not really smart are you ?

Or you must pretending not to be, in that case you had me.
Fara (Zieke Puppies !) 22 Mar 10:57
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she’s nice alright, but who cares? there are plenty more other beautiful women in this small and lonely country……
i’ll bet CPL holland hired her in, and i must say, they already did a good job….. there is so much interest (only lookin at the number of posts here) in just one spoiled (in my opinion) babe who married the big romero and prolly fucked his brains out and got into level designing at ionstorm which is NOT a reason to invite her into the CPL…..
So why did they do it? number of visitors, more income, more gamers, more money, more money $$ ..$ $. $ $$. $$ and $$

And here I see, all those geeks who would like to meet her… for what reason? makin a move on her? Romero would prolly kick ur butt if u tried that one.
I’d say get fuck away from ur pc’s get stoned/laidwhatever and prolly if ur not a complete dork, which u ofcourse say on the internet, u meet a girl, drink with her and tadaa
If u do such things, u are someone who have probably no need in seeing her and if everyone acted like that there souldn’t be future cpl’s with KC or other Game babes, cause they (babes like kc) wouldn’t have effect on gamers. But if I look at everyone here, this isn’t the case and so CPL wins more and more and more gamers, money etc etc etc
Pamela A (62.108.16.145) 22 Mar 10:28
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Mine are biGGer :-P
Quint (Mystery Clan) 22 Mar 09:57
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Stop referring to ‘we’ the whole time, you’ve made your point by now.

We is meant to be as being the organisation. I belong to the CPL Holland organisation if you didn’t know yet.
3bird (DediCated Killers) 22 Mar 09:42
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Quint wrote:
Well.. if Stevie reads it she won’t be happy the way you picture her : Romero’s boyfriend ???

Oops, typing mistake.

Stop referring to ‘we’ the whole time, you’ve made your point by now.

What the heck are you trying to prove man.
Quint (Mystery Clan) 22 Mar 07:04
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Well.. if Stevie reads it she won’t be happy the way you picture her : Romero’s boyfriend ???

Oops, typing mistake.

But Godsmurf, why do you keep harrassing about that KC posed for playboy? I told you it has really nothing to do with it. If we wanted a playboy babe we had enough choice here in Holland, right. Or we could even have invited Asia Carrera, who is a good female player too, but we even didn’t contact this woman, because she doesn’t add anything to this event. Is it so hard for you to understand what I say?
Goddwarf (195.241.233.138) 22 Mar 03:59
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Whats sup!
Maj.General.Reaper (Shadow Company) 22 Mar 03:36
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Very nice assets,btw do you play cs???have u got a permit for those weapons ;-)
VeRTeX (Cicatrix) 22 Mar 03:11
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lol

go smurf!
sanchez (Clan E) 22 Mar 02:37
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Pimp Jr. wrote:
The girl at the CPL is called KillCreek, she’s a US gamer and level designer and she will be there to help promote gaming and the CPL brandname, just like the other CPL volunteers and staff.

ROFL!!!
Pimp Jr. (Polar Apocalypse Consumer Services) 22 Mar 02:34
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The girl at the CPL is called KillCreek, she’s a US gamer and level designer and she will be there to help promote gaming and the CPL brandname, just like the other CPL volunteers and staff.
sanchez (Clan E) 22 Mar 02:31
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Godsmurf wrote:
sanchez wrote:
why did I never see any “feminists” go to lans? They dont go anywayz and will not ever, not even if ya start handing out “home-cooked-cookies-by-boys” for free.

I think you need to grab a dictionary and look up ‘feminist’ :)

Yaya, was just to make it a bit more clear.. the word sucks anywayz.

To answer your questions: there are in fact female gamers on LAN parties and other events, but hiring Playboy models is the best way to scare them away.
The girl at EC2 is called DeeDee, she’s a Dutch gamer and she was there to help with the organisation just like the other volunteers.

And hell, she did something “feminists” would be proud of… heh.

Just saying its not all that black and white, she wont scare them away just as stripper girls at trance events doesnt scare girls away. If she does indeed scare some (gaming?) girls away I think them girls have some kinda problem themselfs. As if they dont go to a store where there’s a picture of a good looking girl hanging on the wall hehe. Or not go to the local grocerieshop cause they actually sell playboy, oh oh!
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 22 Mar 02:23
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sanchez wrote:
why did I never see any “feminists” go to lans? They dont go anywayz and will not ever, not even if ya start handing out “home-cooked-cookies-by-boys” for free.

I think you need to grab a dictionary and look up ‘feminist’ :)

And with the gaming scene going “not so well” lately I dont think its that bad to attract more people by using her or whatever else to attract people.. sure “she” will make some people think all the people going to that event are nerds, but what for people are that? Why do you care so much about them? Cause you want the scene to have a “better” image and thereby gain more interest from outside the scene? Well, if that would be true why did I never see any “feminists” go to lans?

They dont go anywayz and will not ever, not even if ya start handing out “home-cooked-cookies-by-boys” for free. Some things are male only, some things female only.. it will take alot more time to mix that then a CPL event here or there.

Get over it, some companies have to make money in this world and if a famous girl will do that; eat it and stop complaining. The current world is not about the truth, its about getting food on the table for the family and having some fun now and then yada yada…

Amsterdam got a nerdy image? Cause of the redlight district? Come on! Live damn.
ScanX (International Quake Squad) 22 Mar 01:34
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I wonder if some “male q3 player” who had been in playboy would have been invited to CPL event to “represent CPL in the world”

I think not, 90% of players are male (90 is few compared to reality) and it would have just been like “wtf is that lama doing here”.

Imo, this invitation is just an insult towards women who come to CPL to play and not to see some chick who has nothin to do anymore with gameplay (and don’t tell me Daikatana is a game)…I hardly see Killcreek sitting behind a computer and participating to a compo…

I have nothin about KC though, she proved she was a very good gamer, but inviting her to such an invent is crap at this time.
Grizlas (Agency) 22 Mar 01:28
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Heh, this really has taken a strange twist.

I agree with Godsmurf, but only because KillCreek earned herself a newsitem. If the gaming community was at ease with nice looking girls, we wouldn’t see newsitems about them joining lan’s…
Cetra (Legacy of the Mob ) 22 Mar 00:51
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most ppl here seem to miss that killkreek joined teh CPl before she got her boobjob, she allso got wellknown in the gaming socity due to her skills. later she joined ion storm fixed boobs etc.

So this whole discussion is patehtic she’s a gamer like the rest of us. If she fellt better by gettign here boobs made all the more power to her.

conscens do what you feel are right and dont assume you know everything :)
Orion (The Mercenaries) 22 Mar 00:49
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Godsmurf wrote:
Killcreek worked on 1 game and that’s Daikatana, the most ridiculed game of recent years. Anyone who thinks that was a reason for inviting her is a lot like Daikatana imo :)

I don’t think it’s fair to judge someone based on his/hers work.
She at least was payed for it.. and with reason.
bamb (130.89.222.52) 22 Mar 00:42
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100
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 22 Mar 00:31
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Killcreek worked on 1 game and that’s Daikatana, the most ridiculed game of recent years. Anyone who thinks that was a reason for inviting her is a lot like Daikatana imo :)
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 22 Mar 00:24
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Pimp Jr. wrote:
Who are you to judge her, she made the choice to pose for Playboy and because of that she shouldn’t be a special guest at the CPL

I don’t judge her, I was mainly addressing the discussion made here at cb, and the choice of having her at the CPL – and I don’t think her posing in playboy is irrelevant in any of those two cases.
Oppressor (Four Kings) 22 Mar 00:17
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IMo she is asked for being gamer / game designer. That she doesnt look bad is ofcourse good to promote the event with.

Without commercials and sponsorship there wouldnt even be events like this.
Pimp Jr. (Polar Apocalypse Consumer Services) 21 Mar 23:50
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SairasImu: I did understand what GodSmurf was talking about, I just don’t agree with him and didn’t think people would actually make a problem out of this. Seeing you want to have a real mature discussion about this (yes, I am capable of expressing my view in a mature and normal way, don’t worry) I will respond to your latest comment.

You say: “It is about the fact that a girl who’s showing her breasts in playboy is used as an attraction for a gaming event. This is ‘pathetic’ or just down right stupid. There is something called objectification of women, and yes, it is serious business.”

I really don’t see the big problem about this. Stevie Case is an ‘important’ game developer. Besides that, she is also a nice looking girl, who chose to pose for Playboy. As the target audience of the CPL is probably men between 14 and 25 this is the person to invite. Because wether you like it or not, boys/men in that age group who go to the CPL like gaming and women.

Who are you to judge her, she made the choice to pose for Playboy and because of that she shouldn’t be a special guest at the CPL? If she would be forced to come over and stand naked on a podium to show ‘her assests’ then you would have a valid point. But she’s not, she going there on her own free will. I think we should respect that.
Orion (Clanbase crew) 21 Mar 23:45
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Quint wrote:
And even Killcreek might read this forum.

Besides that, that Stevie has been in playboy, worked for ion storm and is Romero’s boyfriend has really nothing to do with her invitation.

Well.. if Stevie reads it she won’t be happy the way you picture her : Romero’s boyfriend ???

C’mon.. that ain’t flattering

I hope she’ll understand you ment it in the best possible way
tijn (Aim Like Shit) 21 Mar 23:29
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Let’s shun ALL beautiful women from professional gaming, they obviously have no business there!

Anyway, i’d like to think that she’s @ CPL Holland cause she’s a famous gamer, not just because she’s a babe. Those opposed to here aren’t really doing here justice, cus apparently you see here as nothing more then a dumb blonde hired to attract geeks to the event.

I’m wondering how it would change things if kc wasn’t a silicone injectee or if she was downright ugly. I gather you wouldn’t hear a soul. Likewise if makaveli was there to play master of ceremonies.

I agree that CB (and the gaming/internet world in general) is infested with more hormones then the world transvestite convention, but over the years i’ve noticed the other side of the hormonol scale (feminists in this case) overreact easily as a consequence.
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 23:17
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I don’t think most people here are even aware women might read this or even visit clanbase.

And even Killcreek might read this forum.

Besides that, that Stevie has been in playboy, worked for ion storm and is Romero’s boyfriend has really nothing to do with her invitation.

The reasons why we invited her are:
– She works for CPL
– She is well known in the gamers scene
– She plays games at a high level
– She is female

If we only wanted a famous playboy girl we could have asked some Big Brother or The Bus girl, which would have been much easier and cheaper to arrange.

But would someone care if one of these girls would come? Don’t think so. And anyways what would these people have to do at our event. They are not involved in games at all.

For the people who would like to know, we also invited other people:
– CliffyB, was the first one we tried, but he is far too busy with his work at Epic
– Kornelia, but she didn’t respond at all.
– Angel Munoz, president of CPL. He is still considering, but will probably be too busy.

I just would like to say, don’t make any assumptions if you have no clue what it’s all about.

Anyways: nice long thread.
=RC=SquirreL (Religic Clan) 21 Mar 23:00
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*applauds*

At the DangerGirl that is.
bamb (130.89.222.52) 21 Mar 23:00
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SairasImu wrote:
/sick and tired.

I’m just glad you never read the NL-forum when the subject is immigrants. Let me tell you it ain’t pretty. The comments here are just the typical adolescent behaviour common in most gamers, stimulated by a sense of online freedom. It won’t change how hard you kick, shout or scream. I don’t think most people here are even aware women might read this or even visit clanbase.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 21 Mar 22:52
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Do you think more girls feel incited to visit this LAN after reading posts like the ones on display below?

Pimp, you are truly embarrassing and I just hope you simply don’t get the point. The only one that is trying to act macho is you; this is not about if this woman is being paid or not, neither is it about wheter people are virgins or not. It is about the fact that a girl who’s showing her breasts in playboy is used as an attraction for a gaming event. This is ‘pathetic’ or just down right stupid. There is something called objectification of women, and yes, it is serious business. And yes it’s just as bad if it should be a racing contest. And no, I should not just give it a break or chill. And no, “we’re just kidding around” is not an acceptable excuse either.

These kind of things are not going to make girls feel more welcome in this gaming community thingie but it sure as hell makes me ashamed at being a part of it. It’s sexistic, it’s pathetic, it’s degrading for women and ‘gamers’ alike.

Pimp (again), your bad comment/joke about that there is nothing bad about paying women to get them to do what you want them to do etc. shows that you are probably not able to comprehend what I’m trying to say, but hopefully some of you other people that did not seem to fully understand what Godsmurf meant are.

Godsmurf called himself a feminist, and so do I. Anyone who still does not know what the hell I’m talking about and what that weird word means and/or is thinking about some stupid remark that is irrelevant to this subject, I first recommend to read a book about what feminism means or just keep silent.

/sick and tired.
bamb (130.89.222.52) 21 Mar 22:47
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Quint wrote:
Make that 2 days, Bamb.

Ok ok.. 1 minute each day.. first day to sign some autographs, second day to give the prizes at the ceremony.
Cygnus (Zieke Puppies !) 21 Mar 22:10
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Interview with Sujoy
by: Godsmurf – Comments (2)

Killcreek at CPL Holland
by: Tal – Comments (87)

nuff said :D
Quint (62.108.6.32) 21 Mar 22:05
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Make that 2 days, Bamb.

And Loosdrecht is south of Hilversum and I think you know where Hilversum is.
bamb (130.89.222.52) 21 Mar 21:32
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bamb wrote:
she’ll be there? pflrt.. probably only two minutes to sign some autographs.. big deal.. loved reading this thread though ;)

ohja.. waar the fuck ligt loosdrecht?
bamb (130.89.222.52) 21 Mar 21:29
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she’ll be there? pflrt.. probably only two minutes to sign some autographs.. big deal.. loved reading this thread though ;)
=RC=DeX (Religic Clan) 21 Mar 21:27
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Geez, almost never seen this much comments, c00l!
-}FB{-Chance (Fearless Beasts) 21 Mar 21:20
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Sk!pp!e wrote:
well yeah, she looks pretty nice, but i don�t wanna wake up next to here, to much plastic…..

nuff said

good god
Sk!pp!e (Total Terror) 21 Mar 21:18
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Pimp Jr. wrote:
For christ sakes, look at all you guys acting all tough and masculine (while still sitting behind your PC) when it involves girls all of a sudden.

“We aren’t nerds, we are real macho guys” … “We don’t need silicone chicks at our events” …. “We don’t need to be looked upon as geeks”.

Since when is having attractive women at events a bad thing ? (You are ofcourse entiteled to say she’s ugly, that’s not the point here). Is Michael Schumacher a nerd or geek because they have truckloads of silicone chicks at F1 events? Are the people who visit F1 events geeks and nerds because they also like to look at the girls there ?

If it was a guy who got invited, would that be different ? Let’s say John Carmack or some other ‘important’ guy got invited, would that have been a bad thing as well? Seems like all you ‘anti Stevie’ people here are using double standards.

There is an interesting and funny column at xsreality about people like you, it’s called “Hiding the nerd in you”: cs.xsreality.com/?action=columns&type=staff&staff_id=61&column_id=15

My words were clear enough, and he, i�ve got an girl @home
Pimp Jr. (Polar Apocalypse Consumer Services) 21 Mar 21:11
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For christ sakes, look at all you guys acting all tough and masculine (while still sitting behind your PC) when it involves girls all of a sudden.

“We aren’t nerds, we are real macho guys” … “We don’t need silicone chicks at our events” …. “We don’t need to be looked upon as geeks”.

There is an interesting and funny column at xsreality about people like you, it’s called “Hiding the nerd in you”: cs.xsreality.com/?action=columns&type=staff&staff_id=61&column_id=15
Sk!pp!e (Total Terror) 21 Mar 21:10
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well yeah, she looks pretty nice, but i don�t wanna wake up next to here, to much plastic…..

But godsmurf is in a few points right. I don�t believe she�s paid for this event, that would be dump from CPL, because the are just atracting people with what you could call an escort girl and people aren�t that naive that they come only come for stevie. They are comming for the event, watch the better quake3 players play and play in different compo�s themselves too. She is not an motivation for me to come to the event as i mentioned, i would come for the compo. But on the other hand, she won�t do it for free, that would be naive from here, she would make big bucks on this one if she gets paid (not that she needs the money, she is the girlfriend of an multi miljonair).

But who cares if she comes, i dont mind, most of the BYOC players dont mind i guess. She won�t be an distraction for the compo players because they are just so turned into themselves, they dont even think at one thing than the damn q3 game and they are defenitly not thinking about the girl with the boobies……..

nuff said
mac (Game Over) 21 Mar 20:54
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Godsmurf wrote:
Quint: I care because I think the gaming scene makes itself look really pathetic by paying ‘babes’ to attend its events.

Regardless of whether Killcreek got paid or not, you can’t seriously say she was invited coz she’s such a good gamer. The best female gamer is called Succubus and there are at least a dozen others who are better than Killcreek. Killcreek got invited coz she got a boob job and posed for Playboy, and she’ll make the event more attractive for 15-18 year olds who don’t have any real social contact with females. Now I admit the gaming scene has a disproportianately large number of such pathetic adolescents, but my point is we should not typecast gamers that way coz it just makes us all look bad.

Right on!

Just like those ugly strippers they had at the last CPL event..
[HoP]IceCube (62.226.4.85) 21 Mar 20:13
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Kasonga
BLeeN (seQuitur) 21 Mar 20:05
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I bet about 500+ more ppl will come to CPL Holland, just the fact that Killcreek is coming.
All those 500+ ppl are horny little nerds :P
VeNoM (iMMUNE) 21 Mar 19:33
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Common 26 nude pics of her :)
VeNoM (iMMUNE) 21 Mar 19:31
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Guess who got all her pics? :))))))))))
come to #immune
and see topic :P
Killcreek looks nice to me (195.241.230.213) 21 Mar 19:22
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Piglet (DangerGirls) 21 Mar 19:11
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Godsmurf, thanks for giving me hope again for mankind.
I got your back
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 19:01
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It’s obvious that the opinions differ, in despite of that some people are assuming things they have no idea about. Everyone is free to say what he wants to as long as it is the truth.

Anaways, I doubt there will be someone at the event, who really doesn’t care about her presence.
Lev (195.241.230.213) 21 Mar 19:00
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I get horny when I see Nurt
fugitive (clan REBEL) 21 Mar 19:00
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Lev wrote:
I get horny when I see TFA.

TfA is pretty cute u know =P
Lev (195.241.230.213) 21 Mar 18:57
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I get horny when I see TFA.
SairasImu (DangerGirls) 21 Mar 18:56
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I think most replies here pretty much sums up what Godsmurf wants to say, and that you are too stupid to even realise it just closes the case.

Godsmurf: I’m forever grateful for showing me that it actually exists someone with brains in this scene.

The ones screaming “gay” and comes with idiotic sexistic crap comments, well I’m getting more and more used to it. Hopefully you’ll grow up, though in many cases I doubt it.

Jeez…
Demokra (62.155.205.81) 21 Mar 18:54
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lol i think thats funny i would like to meet her the prob is there are some thousand miles between
And i would like to see the wet t-shirt contest hrhr
:)
fugitive (clan REBEL) 21 Mar 18:54
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Wh000
im gay! =)
KroNoX (DRoME �) 21 Mar 18:32
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well, i really wouldn’t mind if i woke up next to her
if you do mind you probably are gay
Lev wrote:
pathetic..

1. even in playboy she is ugly. that really is an achievement
2. she’s a walking platic surgery donation foundation
Lev (post Mortem) 21 Mar 18:25
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pathetic..

1. even in playboy she is ugly. that really is an achievement
2. she’s a walking platic surgery donation foundation
fugitive (clan REBEL) 21 Mar 18:19
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sure, she looks good at those pics, but if you see the latest pix of her, she looks like shit (no offence)
did she get her nose fixed? cause it looks bigger now then it did before :P
MeriGanoc (BadBoyz) 21 Mar 18:19
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OMG!!!!!!!!! :-) LOL FREAKY!! read this

Gedurende het gehele evenement in Loosdrecht zal Stevie Case aanwezig zijn, zodat je haar zowel in de CPL- als in de BYOC-zaal tegen het lijf kunt lopen. Je kunt dan met haar op de foto
of je computer door haar laten signeren.
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 18:17
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Godsmurf,

You better find some proof before you spread nonsense. For the last time: Stevie is NOT being paid for her presence.

And actually if she was, then who cares. It seems you are trying to find any reason to give special happenings a negative feeling.

But I wonder how fast you want to see her as soon as you are there at the venue.
Pimp Jr. (Polar Apocalypse Consumer Services) 21 Mar 18:14
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And I’m 27 btw, that’s about 10 years past the age where I would find it ‘prestigious’ to get laid.

Now it’s just an expensive hobby ? ;p
Orion (The Mercenaries) 21 Mar 18:12
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OMG :)

It’s still a game.. stop dreaming about a PRO-scene :)
won’t ever happen on a large scale :) (not soon that is)

GS : I’m 29 and still rather get laid than play a game and freakin’ proud of that :)
.Mc.-DaMas- (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 18:12
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who cares? :P if she wants to come let her come if shes paid to come let her come i really wouldnt give a shit
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 18:01
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menendez wrote:
wtf this is like a dog eat dog thingie … couple of dudes obviously proud of getting laid “already”, trying to make some computer geeks feel even more insecure
godsmurf you are attacking the people you are writing your articles for!

I’m not trying to make anyone feel more insecure, on the contrary! My point is that gamers should show some pride and protest against being typecasted as nerds who are afraid of girls. Even the ones who are like that should realise that they’re just being pushed deeper into that stereotype when an event organiser hires a babe to be friendly to them.

And I’m 27 btw, that’s about 10 years past the age where I would find it ‘prestigious’ to get laid.
Psychoot (Billige Lastige All Annihilerende T) 21 Mar 18:01
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rofl :)
Prisonbitch (Restyle) 21 Mar 18:01
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So, only the heterosexuals get “ahum” “pleasure” there?
You should all focus on beating her there. She will 0wn j00
SnoiD (194.78.199.39) 21 Mar 17:54
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If you had checked http://www.cpleurope.com you would have noticed that Stevie will be a official CPL World representative.

well to me that clearly indicates that she’s getting a salary to fly all around the world for events like these, so smurf is right, no?

Anyway, is there anywhere we (OdB) can book an interview with her? Quint? Or do we do this on the fly on the event itself?
AcidReign (Dark Angels) 21 Mar 17:51
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djeezes, all this shit for a stupid woman
omg you guys are pathetic
really pathetic :)
there are girls that look WAAAY better on the streets :p
so come outside for a change instead of hanging before your pc :)
menendez (194.134.211.132) 21 Mar 17:47
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wtf this is like a dog eat dog thingie … couple of dudes obviously proud of getting laid “already”, trying to make some computer geeks feel even more insecure

damn some ppl keep surprising me

godsmurf you are attacking the people you are writing your articles for!

lmao
SHrap (seQuitur) 21 Mar 17:42
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Pimp Jr. wrote:
Uhm, Mr. Godsmurf:

1) People attending the CPL are nerdy boys… we all are (well, except me ofcourse), nothing to be ashamed of.

Ambience suxx! You can see alot of weird shit there!
“(well, except me ofcourse)” How do you know ?!

2) Since when is it wrong to pay women to do what you want ??

3) Honk Honk !

;)

Not so smart are you ? :)

———————————-

As for the rest of you, Godsmurf has a point!
And don’t underestimate GS, He’s smartest the CB admin! ;)
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 17:31
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`(amAUchi wrote:
well.. it is a scener , so it’s relevant..
you’ve got some sexual-discrimination problem ;)

On the contrary, I’m a feminist and I rather meet real women in real circumstances than artificial babes who are being paid to be friendly to me.
Guido (213.51.16.57) 21 Mar 17:26
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Pimp Jr. wrote:

3) Honk Honk !

;)

umg :)
Griff (Schroet Kommando ) 21 Mar 17:26
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@ Godsmurf
I know you are a clever guy so don’t make assumptions when you miss lots of informations :)
If you had checked http://www.cpleurope.com you would have noticed that Stevie will be a official CPL World representative.
You think CPL Europe pays her or a sponsor?
Another point is WE ARE NOT Battletop
Third and last, we had lots of women on our last event, in the female Quake 3, and this will happen again :)
Have a nice day and looking forward to your help smurf ;)
[X]Th@Candyman ([X]Mercenaries) 21 Mar 17:25
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HUBBA HUBBA
Homer (Heaven Shall Burn!) 21 Mar 17:24
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Now I admit the gaming scene has a disproportianately large number of such pathetic adolescents

0wn3d!!!!
`(amAUchi (clan Fistulae Puris) 21 Mar 17:20
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well.. it is a scener , so it’s relevant..

you’ve got some sexual-discrimination problem ;)
=RC=DeX (Religic Clan) 21 Mar 17:17
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[DGS]Billie_Piper wrote:
DeXTeR wrote:
DeX! wrote:
omg

o m g

oi
=p

Damn… lots of dexters round here ;-)

Go To find Players, type in: DeX (or Dexter)
see the results :(
Pimp Jr. (Polar Apocalypse Consumer Services) 21 Mar 17:15
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Uhm, Mr. Godsmurf:

1) People attending the CPL are nerdy boys… we all are (well, except me ofcourse), nothing to be ashamed of.

2) Since when is it wrong to pay women to do what you want ??

3) Honk Honk !

Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 17:11
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`(amAUchi wrote:
she is a mapper/game designer as well.. worked for id and now working for those that made daikatana/deus ex (can’t find the name)

She never worked for id, only for Ion Storm and only on Daikatana. Anyway she’s not being invited coz she’s a level designer either, so it’s really irrelevant.
Dinkey (Hazardous Chemical Liquid) 21 Mar 17:09
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SHrap wrote:
Kai wrote:

\/
|_ __
/ \ /\ /\

SAW (Lamers At Work) 21 Mar 17:09
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uhm it’s just a chick who’s showing up, don’t make such a fuzz about it
SHrap (seQuitur) 21 Mar 17:02
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Kai wrote:

\:D/
|_ __;)
/ \ /\ /\
`(amAUchi (clan Fistulae Puris) 21 Mar 16:50
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she is a mapper/game designer as well.. worked for id and now working for those that made daikatana/deus ex (can’t find the name)
Psy (195.241.226.101) 21 Mar 16:50
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Not every Gamer is a nerd, most of them have social lifes too. And btw, almost every event targeted for males have babes. Cars, Rock, Music, Multi-media etc.

So the guys who go to these events are nerds too? Cos the event people are using babes to promote.
DeXTeR (AIM Is Magic) 21 Mar 16:39
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Godsmurf wrote:
Quint: I care because I think the gaming scene makes itself look really pathetic by paying ‘babes’ to attend its events.

no offence, but most playboy magazines are being bought by married men :-) In which in most cases I hope their not virgin anymore… trying to get some more satisfaction from whatever source… it just makes events even _more_ attractive then it already was…. and perhaps this is not an act to attract the so called “nerds-with-i-will-never-have-a-girlfriend” to the events, but this’ll also make the events more public to the non-gaming scene.
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 16:33
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Quint: I care because I think the gaming scene makes itself look really pathetic by paying ‘babes’ to attend its events.

Stevie is definately not being paid for her come. And besides that why do you care if she was?
`(amAUchi (clan Fistulae Puris) 21 Mar 16:19
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OMG !

talking about an incentive to come !
Eidolon (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 16:16
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Godsmurf wrote:
I could be wrong but it’s unlikely. Event organisers tend to pay women to show up and give the nerds something to drool over – Carmen Electra at Battletop, booth babes at E3, etc. Read the announcement: “you can get stevie case to pose with you on pictures and sign your computer”. You think she does that for fun? It’s a typical “hire a celibrity for promotion” act, she’d be dumb if she did it for free. If the Holland event is not paying her then the CPL is.

Of course event organisers (I’m talking in general now) would rather let everyone think the celibrity is coming out of his/her own interest, coz that makes the event seem cooler. There was a famous ‘scandal’ once with Claudia Schiffer denying she got paid to attend a certain event; it ended with a magazine printing the contract, which listed all Ms. Schiffer’s demands, pretty funny.

Well, Stevie is a player herself and she is from cpl.
We have asked here and she wants to come.
So think what you want.
KroNoX (DRoME �) 21 Mar 16:12
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stealth stupid pat50r
you are a virgin y0 self so don’t blame others if their still a virgin
your just a 14 year old kiddie who runs to momma when you just fell of your bike…

Stevie Case on the other hand isn’t a virgin anymore :)
and don’t ask me how i know ;)

Stealth^ wrote:
LOL haha! Most of you are sooooo sad…

Get your own girlfriend stupid virgins.. bah!
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 16:09
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my point stealth, but perhaps you put it clearer :)
Stealth^ (Aim Like Shit) 21 Mar 16:06
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LOL haha! Most of you are sooooo sad…

Get your own girlfriend stupid virgins.. bah!
DeX! (DediCated Killers) 21 Mar 16:06
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Godsmurf wrote:
I could be wrong but it’s unlikely. Event organisers tend to pay women to show up and give the nerds something to drool over – Carmen Electra at Battletop, booth babes at E3, etc. Read the announcement: “you can get stevie case to pose with you on pictures and sign your computer”. You think she does that for fun? It’s a typical “hire a celibrity for promotion” act, she’d be dumb if she did it for free. If the Holland event is not paying her then the CPL is.

“celebrity”

=)
[DGS]Billie_Piper (De Geile Sletjes) 21 Mar 16:05
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DeXTeR wrote:
DeX! wrote:
omg

o m g

oi
=p

Damn… lots of dexters round here ;-)

GreetZ
DeXTeR (AIM Is Magic) 21 Mar 16:01
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DeX! wrote:
omg

o m g

oi
=p
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 16:01
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I could be wrong but it’s unlikely. Event organisers tend to pay women to show up and give the nerds something to drool over – Carmen Electra at Battletop, booth babes at E3, etc. Read the announcement: “you can get stevie case to pose with you on pictures and sign your computer”. You think she does that for fun? It’s a typical “hire a celibrity for promotion” act, she’d be dumb if she did it for free. If the Holland event is not paying her then the CPL is.

o m g
DeXTeR (AIM Is Magic) 21 Mar 15:52
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[DGS]Billie_Piper wrote:
=RC=DeX wrote:
not bad :P
nice euh….ears hehe

DeX ?? Damn… find your own nick!! :)

GreetZ
Billie

aka
Dexter

(and wanna bet im more popular then j00 :PPPPPPP{P)

harhar
=p
[LSD]Milamber (Lame Sitting Ducks) 21 Mar 15:50
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mmmmm
Nice….
But ehmmmm
True???
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 15:49
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Godsmurf: what is it what you don’t believe?

I invited her and she was very eager to come. The only things paid by us are the planeticket and hotelstay, but that’s normal, isn’t it.

And if you don’t want to believe that, who cares. I don’t.
Oppressor (Four Kings) 21 Mar 15:48
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Godsmurf, if u even had taken the effort to pay a quick visit to her homepage u’d have seen she really likes gaming. Thats the main reason she is coming, not money…
[KfK]strijKIE (Killin’ for Kicks ) 21 Mar 15:47
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Stevie Case is a member of the cpl staff (Master of Ceremonies) :)
[i]VeNoM (213.224.12.80) 21 Mar 15:45
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All her pics are on the PB site, if you want them contact me :P
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 15:41
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Quint: I don’t believe a word of that.
[DGS]Billie_Piper (De Geile Sletjes) 21 Mar 15:35
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=RC=DeX wrote:
not bad :P
nice euh….ears hehe

DeX ?? Damn… find your own nick!!

GreetZ
Billie

aka
Dexter
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 15:19
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Well, I think so. I will see in 7 weeks.
Fate (Second Section) 21 Mar 15:18
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http://www.playboy.com/digital/feature/steviecase/01.html

ugly boobies :( look those silicones
.Mc.-DaMas- (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 15:12
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Quint wrote:
Godsmurf

Stevie is not paid to come. She is doing this on a voluntary base.

And about the lovely female *gamers*: Don’t worry, they will be here too. So prepare yourself, because you are probably not used to so many ladies at a gamers event.
]]

oow u r coming 2 quint>? :D
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 15:00
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Godsmurf

Stevie is not paid to come. She is doing this on a voluntary base.

And about the lovely female *gamers*: Don’t worry, they will be here too. So prepare yourself, because you are probably not used to so many ladies at a gamers event.
Godsmurf (Cicatrix) 21 Mar 14:55
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You think paying some bimbo to show up is good for pro gaming? It will just make it all even more of a nerdy boy thing – don’t you feel pathetic when they have to PAY women to come?
All this in contrast with CPL Cologne where you had lovely female *gamers* participating.
Oppressor (Four Kings) 21 Mar 14:48
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pfft at all ur comment, silly guys.

More attention to Dutch cpl is good, hope the dutch pro gaming “scene” can develop a bit more…its really nuthing now.
Quint (Mystery Clan) 21 Mar 14:40
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Tsk tsk,

Some respect for this lovely lady, guys. Otherwise I won’t let you come close to her.
=RC=DeX (Religic Clan) 21 Mar 14:37
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not bad :P
nice euh….ears hehe
DrPepper (Chilled out Wargamers) 21 Mar 14:24
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LOL
Nighteye (Rampage Waaazaaaaaaaappppppps!) 21 Mar 14:05
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Ivin wrote:
nice grenades… wish i could launch em =P

hehe they sure are.. OMFG! \/

Check this out )
http://www.playboy.com/digital/feature/steviecase/3.jpg
Ivin (Pulp Fiction) 21 Mar 13:54
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nice grenades… wish i could launch em =P
YEAH (212.83.98.134) 21 Mar 13:49
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DAMN ORION I THOUGHT I WOULD BE THE FIRST POSTER !#)
YEAH (212.83.98.134) 21 Mar 13:46
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I hope there is going to be wet t-shirt competition!! :D
Orion (Clanbase crew) 21 Mar 13:46
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Ok… I’m in training from NOW on